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Auston Matthews 69 goals in 81 games, most goals scored since Lemieux in 1995-96

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Drytoast said:
The rocket isn't the barometer. Matthews could score 60 while someone like Pasta could score 65. That's still putting him above Ovi.
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Eh, 60 goals today isn’t as good as some of Ovechkin’s 50+ goal seasons in the 2010s. Though competition is a fair point. As good as Ovechkin was, it was a weak period for goal scoring competition in many of those years. I don’t think winning as many rockets is necessary.
 
SkinsFan09 said:
5 on 5 and PP goals count the same.

Lemieux had half his points on the powerplay in 1995-96 so what? He was still the best player in the world.
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Sure, but he also played 7 minutes a game on a powerplay with Jagr and Francis at their peaks, then when the powerplays dried up the next season his overall scoring plummeted. Sometimes it’s a positive to be able to score more at ES. If Matthews has over 7 minutes on the powerplay I feel pretty confident he would be closer to the single season goals record than 70-75.
 
authentic said:
Sure, but he also played 7 minutes a game on a powerplay with Jagr and Francis at their peaks, then when the powerplays dried up the next season his overall scoring plummeted. Sometimes it’s a positive to be able to score more at ES. If Matthews has over 7 minutes on the powerplay I feel pretty confident he would be closer to the single season goals record than 70-75.
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I think Francis, 14 years into his career, looked better than he actually was playing alongside those horses.

Lemieux led the NHL in points the following season by basically the exact same margin of points. Overall league scoring plummeted, that's why his production was cut so much.
 
Voight said:
Matthews could still have the claim as most goals by an American born and trained player.

Hull played college puck but played Junior A in Canada so I don't know if he would even qualify as "American trained"
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Funny, but after an NHL team drafts a player, the team that drafts him always lays claim to developing the player.
 
SkinsFan09 said:
I think Francis, 14 years into his career, looked better than he actually was playing alongside those horses.

Lemieux led the NHL in points the following season by basically the exact same margin of points. Overall league scoring plummeted, that's why his production was cut so much.
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Jagr had nearly the same points per game as him the next season, same with Lindros. Lemieux’s ES scoring remained nearly the same as well. This is what makes his 1992-93 season so amazing, best even strength scoring rate of all-time and still amazing on the powerplay.
 
JFieldsOverBedard said:
Auston Matthews cannot be stopped.

If your favorite team is playing the Leafs, AM is going to wreck you and there's nothing you can do about it.

He is the goal scoring equivalent of Meng from pro wrestling bar fights.
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If your favorite team is playing the leafs, yes there is a good chance at Austin Matthews score some goals but we will also let in as many or more
 
Slimmy said:
It's also easier to score in this era compared to when Ovechkin started out in the league.
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Agreed since the trap is gone and there are more teams than ever the competition, which is still all world is not nearly as stiff as when there were less team plus AM is one of the tougher players to like based on the fact h plays for the Leafs (ugghh) and has an arrogance to him that Ovi, Gretzky and other superior stars never showed.

I do think the Leafs should plan a parade because he will lead them to a cup either this year or next.
 
Regal said:
Eh, 60 goals today isn’t as good as some of Ovechkin’s 50+ goal seasons in the 2010s. Though competition is a fair point. As good as Ovechkin was, it was a weak period for goal scoring competition in many of those years. I don’t think winning as many rockets is necessary.
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60 goals today is just impressive. I dont know what world you live in where 60 goals in a season can be considered less than previous seasons. remind me.... how many 60 goal scorers have we seen in the past 10 or even 20 years?
 
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Arthur Morgan said:
60 goals today is just impressive. I dont know what world you live in where 60 goals in a season can be considered less than previous seasons. remind me.... how many 60 goal scorers have we seen in the past 10 or even 20 years?
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Yea because scoring was lower…

This is basic shit lol
 
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Arthur Morgan said:
60 goals today is just impressive. I dont know what world you live in where 60 goals in a season can be considered less than previous seasons. remind me.... how many 60 goal scorers have we seen in the past 10 or even 20 years?
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He is a Canucks fan. Pettersson is a 20 odd goal scorer through 98% of his career. Average player. He can’t stand that Matthews is the best in the world and no player on his team is in the same universe.

Regal said:
Eh, 60 goals today isn’t as good as some of Ovechkin’s 50+ goal seasons in the 2010s. Though competition is a fair point. As good as Ovechkin was, it was a weak period for goal scoring competition in many of those years. I don’t think winning as many rockets is necessary.
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Haha. Yeah right.
 
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Arthur Morgan said:
okay well if scoring is up now, then why have we only seen two 60 goal scorers? shouldn't we have like ALOT more if its so much easier to score now? scoring 60 is still extremely difficult to do,
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We’ve seen three in the past two seasons and will see another this year.

Ovechkin was the only player to hit 50 goals between 13-14 and 17-18 and he did it three times.

I never said 60 isn’t still extremely difficult to do. Perhaps you shouldn’t jump to conclusions that anything that isn’t blowing smoke up Matthews’ mooning ass is considered criticism. I’m suggesting that if Matthews is going to be considered the greatest goal scorer over Ovechkin, as was the conversation, he might not need as many Rockets, but that scoring 60 isn’t automatically better than Ovechkin winning the Rocket with a massive lead while scoring 50+ in lower scoring seasons.
 
Regal said:
We’ve seen three in the past two seasons and will see another this year.

Ovechkin was the only player to hit 50 goals between 13-14 and 17-18 and he did it three times.

I never said 60 isn’t still extremely difficult to do. Perhaps you shouldn’t jump to conclusions that anything that isn’t blowing smoke up Matthews’ mooning ass is considered criticism. I’m suggesting that if Matthews is going to be considered the greatest goal scorer over Ovechkin, as was the conversation, he might not need as many Rockets, but that scoring 60 isn’t automatically better than Ovechkin winning the Rocket with a massive lead while scoring 50+ in lower scoring seasons.
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okay so how many more goals should Matthews, Pastrnak or McDavid put in to make up then? just seems like your pushing the goal posts here 3 players put 60 in since Stammer and before him Ovechkin. I dont think this is holding up as much as you think it does. very very very low amount of players hitting or exceeding 60.

this thread isn't to say Matthews will finish his career with more goals but more so if it's possible. and the pace he's going at literally makes this conversation possible.

yes he has a long way to go. but his pace and comparing him at the same games played and seeing where Matthews is at. makes it a little interesting does it not?
 
authentic said:
But is it a fact that his best years are behind him? I don’t think so, even if history says that’s most likely. I thought we weren’t allowed to talk about things that “might” happen, maybe Matthews falls off a cliff after this season. Would I bet on it? Not a chance. More likely scenario is he scores at pretty close to the same level he’s doing this season. There’s simply no indication of anything in his game that will decline noticeably in the next few seasons, if anything he will find ways to get better, barring injury.
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I was just clarifying what the other poster was saying. “Statistically best years behind him” and “prime” are not mutually exclusive. Give Gretzky’s and Lemieux’s stats a look. They had a statistical peak, followed by a long prime that never matched that peak.

And of course it’s not a fact—what a silly question. And here’s hoping it doesn’t, because this is quite exiting.
 
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