Auston Matthews 69 goals in 81 games, most goals scored since Lemieux in 1995-96

[strattonius]

No matter what the topic, you only speak for you.

What stupid logic is this?

-More people like pizza than quinoa.
-More people think the Earth is round than flat.
-More people think Mackinnon is the 2nd best player than Matthews.

Any other mental gymnastics to convince yourself Matthews is 2nd to McDavid?

 

[blueandgoldguy]

Matthews in this era compares to Gretzkys 92 IMO. I mean dude, the goalies pads never touched the ice back then if they didnt accidentally fall down, and their equipment was like half the size compared to today. OBV im not hating on #99, he has the records for a reason, and the reason is because he was so much better than everyone else. But if we talk about goal scoring Matthews is just that, way better than the competition, its not even close.

NOW, everyone will start hating me saying Matthews is on Gretzkys level as is tradition. But what about my countryman Jari Kurri who scored 71 in 73games in the 84-85 season? I guess he is just way better than than Matthews as well, you dont get to pick and choose.

By this "They scored more in less games, and scoring was the same" logic Matthews is like barely top10 if even in it. These dudes did it with having defenders who couldnt skate backwards, goalies whose gear was smaller than todays players.

What were the skates and sticks that Gretzky used like back in the 1980s compared to today?

 

[authentic]

What stupid logic is this?

-More people like pizza than quinoa.
-More people think the Earth is round than flat.
-More people think Mackinnon is the 2nd best player than Matthews.

Any other mental gymnastics to convince yourself Matthews is 2nd to McDavid?

Yeah's it mental gymnastics to say the player with a Hart, a Lindsay, a runner up in each, 3 Rockets, best defensive center among elite scorers and 70 goal scorer is the 2nd best player in the league.

 

[blueandgoldguy]

Matthew's season is fantastic to be sure. But where did this idea come from that he will be a Selke Trophy candidate? I look at several sites and no one is mentioning him in the top-5 or even in their honorable mentions

2023-24 Selke Trophy Tracker: March Update - The Hockey Writers Latest News, Analysis & More

With Patrice Bergeron retired, the Selke Trophy will have some new faces competing for the award for the 2023-24 NHL season.

thehockeywriters.com

Top 5 NHL stars who could win the Frank J. Selke Trophy in 2024

Since 1978, the Frank J. Selke Trophy has gone to the forward "who demonstrates the most skill in the defensive component of the game.

www.sportskeeda.com

Who Will Win The NHL's Selke Trophy In 2024?

After years of domination by Patrice Bergeron, Aleksander Barkov appears ready to step into the void and take the Selke Award

clutchpoints.com

 

[MacMacandBarbie]

Matthews does this while getting half the powerplay time and contending for a Selke trophy. Just let that sink in.

His name has not come up in any serious Selke conversations, why does this keep getting thrown around?

Barkov, Reinhart, Suzuki, Staal, Lowry. Those are likely the top 5 and are the names in the conversation.

 

[authentic]

His name has not come up in any serious Selke conversations, why does this keep getting thrown around?

Barkov, Reinhart, Suzuki, Staal, Lowry. Those are likely the top 5 and are the names in the conversation.

Well he’s a better defensive player than Reinhart so I don’t know why we need to pretend he’s not on that level, whether he gets nominated or not.

 

[strattonius]

Yeah's it mental gymnastics to say the player with a Hart, a Lindsay, a runner up in each, 3 Rockets, best defensive center among elite scorers and 70 goal scorer is the 2nd best player in the league.

Great accolades but he's still not the 2nd best player in the league. He's not better than Mackinnon.

 

[Rob Brown]

Matthew's season is fantastic to be sure. But where did this idea come from that he will be a Selke Trophy candidate? I look at several sites and no one is mentioning him in the top-5 or even in their honorable mentions

2023-24 Selke Trophy Tracker: March Update - The Hockey Writers Latest News, Analysis & More

With Patrice Bergeron retired, the Selke Trophy will have some new faces competing for the award for the 2023-24 NHL season.

thehockeywriters.com

Top 5 NHL stars who could win the Frank J. Selke Trophy in 2024

Since 1978, the Frank J. Selke Trophy has gone to the forward "who demonstrates the most skill in the defensive component of the game.

www.sportskeeda.com

Who Will Win The NHL's Selke Trophy In 2024?

After years of domination by Patrice Bergeron, Aleksander Barkov appears ready to step into the void and take the Selke Award

clutchpoints.com

On a recent list from March (and also February - below) that used various defensive metrics, The Athletic had him fourth.



Here's a quote from Nico Hischier saying Matthews should be considered.



Here is one from The Hockey Writers, which you also referenced:

Auston Matthews Deserves Hart Trophy Consideration - The Hockey Writers Toronto Maple Leafs Latest News, Analysis & More

In this article, we look at why Auston Matthews deserves consideration for the Hart Trophy in the 2023-24 season.

thehockeywriters.com

Another from The Toronto Star, which you will probably say is biased, but I would argue still more credible than 'Sportskeeda' and 'Clutchpoints':

Selke smooth: Why Leafs’ Auston Matthews should be considered for more than just the Hart Trophy

Matthews is celebrated for his goal scoring but this NHL season has seen the Maple Leafs star mature into a complete 200-foot player.

www.thestar.com

While this is based on Tavares thinking Matthews should be considered, it's still another example of it being mentioned on another site, which you said wasn't the case:

Mark Masters: Auston Matthews hungry as ever' as chase for 70 goals fuels Hart Trophy talk | TSN

Leafs centre Auston Matthews is seven goals away from 70 with seven games left in the regular season. Matthews is aiming to become the NHL's first 70-goal scorer since Teemu Selanne and Alexander Mogilny each scored 76 during the 1992-93 season. Mark Masters has more on his chase for the milestone.

www.tsn.ca

I don't think Matthews is going to win the Selke or anything, but you said he wasn't mentioned anywhere on the internet and then I found a bunch of examples in a minute or two, including some very relevant ones like The Athletic.

 

[wgknestrick]

adjusted stats are pure nonsense. wheres the bar? whos doing the math here and how do you even its correct? like I said pure nonsense

Arthur, you just must accept that there will be things beyond your comprehension.

 

[pcruz]

To me and most fans Mackinnon is the clear 2nd best player in the game.

Care to share your data gathering mechanism and results?

 

[Martin Skoula]

On a recent list from March (and also February - below) that used various defensive metrics, The Athletic had him fourth.



Here's a quote from Nico Hischier saying Matthews should be considered.



Here is one from The Hockey Writers, which you also referenced:

Auston Matthews Deserves Hart Trophy Consideration - The Hockey Writers Toronto Maple Leafs Latest News, Analysis & More

In this article, we look at why Auston Matthews deserves consideration for the Hart Trophy in the 2023-24 season.

thehockeywriters.com

Another from The Toronto Star, which you will probably say is biased, but I would argue still more credible than 'Sportskeeda' and 'Clutchpoints':

Selke smooth: Why Leafs’ Auston Matthews should be considered for more than just the Hart Trophy

Matthews is celebrated for his goal scoring but this NHL season has seen the Maple Leafs star mature into a complete 200-foot player.

www.thestar.com

While this is based on Tavares thinking Matthews should be considered, it's still another example of it being mentioned on another site, which you said wasn't the case:

Mark Masters: Auston Matthews hungry as ever' as chase for 70 goals fuels Hart Trophy talk | TSN

Leafs centre Auston Matthews is seven goals away from 70 with seven games left in the regular season. Matthews is aiming to become the NHL's first 70-goal scorer since Teemu Selanne and Alexander Mogilny each scored 76 during the 1992-93 season. Mark Masters has more on his chase for the milestone.

www.tsn.ca

I don't think Matthews is going to win the Selke or anything, but you said he wasn't mentioned anywhere on the internet and then I found a bunch of examples in a minute or two, including some very relevant ones like The Athletic.

Didn’t read any of this, just homer nonsense to suggest that Matthews is in the same universe as defensive juggernaut *checks notes*.. Nick Suzuki.

 

[Oscar The Grouch]

He's a Sens fan. For him, the games haven't mattered since December

Matthews = Yashin

Real knows real

 

[Oscar The Grouch]

Matthews does this while getting half the powerplay time and contending for a Selke trophy. Just let that sink in.

Matthews is not contending for a Selke trophy. There are countless instances of him giving up on plays, being soft in his own end, missing coverage etc. This is all just Leafs fandom/media's extra loud voice begging for their consolation Stanley Cup. It's an annual tradition. They got Matthews a Hart that way, so they're trying again.

 

[Grub]

See's lottery winner have a 70 goal scorer, looks at Joulevi. FML.

 

[TheStatican]

Scoring being up isn’t a flat impact across the spectrum. For example teams pulling the goalie 1-2 minutes earlier than they did in 2008 means games that would have ended 3-2 in 2008 are now 4-2 or 4-3 OT endings for an extra 1.5 goals on average in close situations, but the players getting those extra ENGs are going to be disproportionately defensive grinders defending leads.

That's incorrect, the average is higher for the most skilled players; of the top 10 point scorers 27 of their 447 goals are empty netters, that's 6.0%. League wide the average is lower at 5.5% (439 of the 7896). That said Mathews himself is no EN leach, only 2 of his 70/2.8% are empty netters.

 

[QJL]

That's incorrect, the average is higher for the most skilled players; of the top 10 point scorers 27 of their 447 goals are empty netters, that's 6.0%. League wide the average is lower at 5.5% (439 of the 7896). That said Mathews himself is no EN leach, only 2 of his 70/2.8% are empty netters.

Matthews does not have 70 goals

 

[authentic]

Matthews is not contending for a Selke trophy. There are countless instances of him giving up on plays, being soft in his own end, missing coverage etc. This is all just Leafs fandom/media's extra loud voice begging for their consolation Stanley Cup. It's an annual tradition. They got Matthews a Hart that way, so they're trying again.

Go back to Sesame Street

 

[TheStatican]

Matthews does not have 70 goals

Call it a prediction

 

[HofT]

What stupid logic is this?

-More people like pizza than quinoa.
-More people think the Earth is round than flat.
-More people think Mackinnon is the 2nd best player than Matthews.

Any other mental gymnastics to convince yourself Matthews is 2nd to McDavid?

You should watch 12 Angry Men. Great movie

 

[Schennanigans]

What a crazy year. 70 goals should be a shoe in for hart any other year.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

Arthur, you just must accept that there will be things beyond your comprehension.

I just find it funny that no one can explain how they got the adjusted numbers. just here they are and they are right because I say so.
yeah okay

its not an exact science. these "adjusted stats" can be very wrong and the thing about it is you would never know, it's pure speculation and means absolutely nothing

 

[ijuka]

I just find it funny that no one can explain how they got the adjusted numbers. just here they are and they are right because I say so.
yeah okay

its not an exact science. these "adjusted stats" can be very wrong and the thing about it is you would never know, it's pure speculation and means absolutely nothing

Usually, it's done with season scoring ratio as the multiplier.

For example, if current season scoring is 3.15 and it's compared to a season with 3.87 scoring, then the multiplier is 1.22857 or so, which would bring Matthews's adjusted goals to 85.

However, this is imprecise because the league's average scoring differences might not align with the top players' scoring differences. For example, if the league has similar scoring for the top players but higher scoring for bottom 6 players, then adjusting scoring in this manner would make the current top players look disproportionately good in comparison.

 

[Daximus]

I think to be considered a serious candidate for the Selke you have to be an every day PKer. Like at least averaging 1:50 give or take a little to be in consideration. Its like the minimum bar that also goes along with being great on the dot and solid defensively at 5v5.

 

[D Wakaluk]

Matthews is not contending for a Selke trophy. There are countless instances of him giving up on plays, being soft in his own end, missing coverage etc. This is all just Leafs fandom/media's extra loud voice begging for their consolation Stanley Cup. It's an annual tradition. They got Matthews a Hart that way, so they're trying again.

This.

I mean he could be a real selke candidate. The guy obviously has all the tools. But being responsible defensively all the time is just too much yucky work in a 82 game regular season grind for some.

 

[Toby91ca]

So Datsyuk shouldn’t have been a serious contender then? How was he able to win?