Auston Matthews 69 goals in 81 games, most goals scored since Lemieux in 1995-96

[JukofYork]

I dont think anyone in here thinks Mathews is Mario level. Not even McDavid and Mackinnon is close to Mario.

Mathews reminds me of Brett Hull in the early 90's. Not many people could snipe goals like him..same as Mathews.

 

[Squiffy]

And another.

You're not answering my question.

1) No one, ever, has said AM is better then #66. There's no post that says that. Your posting claiming so of Leaf fans is disingenuous.

2) No one has scored 69 since Mario did it. AM hasn't yet, might. That's just counting.

3) AM routinely receives Selke votes. Might not ever win it, maybe he does one year, who knows. But he's not there consistently by coincidence. That's not my opinion, or anyone else posting here, that's the voters.

Discuss.

 

[DamonDRW]

Ah yes, the playoffs where McDavid had 20 points, including 8 goals in 12 games.

"Different story"

Lmao.

What's the net result?

 

[Ol' Jase]

You're not answering my question.

1) No one, ever, has said AM is better then #66. There's no post that says that. Your posting claiming so of Leaf fans is disingenuous.

2) No one has scored 69 since Mario did it. AM hasn't yet, might. That's just counting.

3) AM routinely receives Selke votes. Might not ever win it, maybe he does one year, who knows. But he's not there consistently by coincidence. That's not my opinion, or anyone else posting here, that's the voters.

Discuss.

1) The discussion is the talk that the players are comparable. I have posted examples of posters asking if the two players are comparable. The answer was yes, they are comparable. In all aspects, regardless of Matthews incredible, historic season, the two players are not comparable.

2) Matthews is having a season for the ages. And yes, he has scored the most goals in one season since 1995-96. He should absolutely be lauded for it, as I have done myself in multiple posts. Again, however, there is absolutely nothing comparable about Lemieux and Matthews apart from the fact that Matthews has now scored more goals (in more games played) than Lemieux’s fourth most productive goal scoring year.

I will ignore the post that says “Greatest goal scorer in history AINEC” because I believe that no one actually possibly believes that.

3) Matthews is an excellent defensive forward, and will deservedly get some Selke votes. He will not, however, finish third in Selke voting, is certainly not better defensively than all the top scorers by a long shot, and, regardless of what anyone want to believe, Sam Reinhart is to be as much of a Selke consideration as Matthews is. Odds show maybe even moreso.

The fact that this was Reinhart’s season defensively was even mentioned brought open mocking from more than one Leaf fan, and a chorus of “people are comparing Reinhart to Matthews!?!?!” when that wasn’t the case. It was simply a legitimate observation the Reinhart has possibly had a better season defensively than Matthews has. The metrics, Reinhart being an integral part of all situations for the Panthers, particularly the PK, and the league wide consensus that he has had a stellar year defensively bear this out.

It could certainly have been an objective discussion. But it wasn’t.

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

As bad as I want him to score 70, I will be just as happy if he finishes with 69

Great position to be in. A lot of goals

 

[The90]

The goalie isn't part of the team ?

I must have looked at a different game during the last 65 years.

Didn’t say it wasn’t

So are you disagreeing with me or what? What is your argument on me disagreeing how he is not the best defensive player on the top scoring list by long shot?

Is defensive coverage without the puck his strength? My god insecurity of some leafs fan is deep. Matthews have some defensive holes in his games like every player does, his is defensive coverage, which is crucial on the PK. Agree or disagree, lay out your points? Marner was top point scorer of leafs last season and it didn’t stop him from playing on the PK, so your point isn’t valid. There is clear evidence, how leafs coaching staff are willing to play the best offensive guy on the PK.

Have you ever actually watched Matthews play?

 

[ozzie]

It's crazy if he hits 70 goals and finishes in third place or worse for the Hart trophy race. The rocket doesn't seem like enough for what he's done this year.

 

[TheSuperElite]

What's the net result?

Adds to the legacy that names him one of the best 5 players of all time

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

For similar results, it seems...

Yes shockingly, as previously stated, 31 out of 32 teams have the same results annually.

 

[DamonDRW]

Adds to the legacy that names him one of the best 5 players of all time

Legacy vs Stanley Cup... Hmm. We need to ask McDavid what will he choose?

 

[ninetyeight]

Incredible player that has a real chance to become the greatest goal scorer in NHL history. Makes people overlook that he's also a complete defensively solid hockey player. So many haters will miss witnessing and enjoying one of the greatest hockey players of our time because their immature leafs hatred.

 

[TheSuperElite]

Legacy vs Stanley Cup... Hmm. We need to ask McDavid what will he choose?

what? his postseason performances have now catapulted him into a top 5 player of all time - historic highlights, regular seasons and now playoff performances

 

[All Mod Cons]

This thread is an absolute disaster. A place to celebrate someone doing something quite remarkable, and it's filled with people talking Sam Reinhart, changing numbers, playoffs, defence, cap allocations and everything else in between.

NHL fans are remarkable.

 

[MCR74]

I think you guys need a reality check. See the NHLPA Players Poll. Matthews shows up in one category only. Best fashion

Rather that than Stutzle's only leading category: NHL's most accomplished diver.

That’s exactly what happens to 31 teams.

I don't know why Habs fans insist on talking about their team's shit season in a Matthews goal thread. Makes sense to you?

 

[Arthur Morgan]

You get as mad as you want about it. ppg centres are absolutely #1 c’s. Only exception is he’s riding behind Matthews.

Schiefele is still a 1c

Stephenson was still their 1c no matter how you slice it.

You make whatever excuse you need to bud. Stephenson and schiefele are 100% 1 c’s and Tavares a 1* only because of his circumstances. A ton of luck goes into a run to the cup finals when your leading scorer has 16 points in 21 games. The unfortunate truth

Stephenson is a 1c on a team with weak Cs I mean was Bozak a 1c? or was he only a 1c because our cs were kinda dog shit

 

[The90]

Stephenson is a 1c on a team with weak Cs I mean was Bozak a 1c? or was he only a 1c because our cs were kinda dog shit

He literally was all they had. Best option as a c. They were missing their best centre at the time.

 

[DamonDRW]

what? his postseason performances have now catapulted him into a top 5 player of all time - historic highlights, regular seasons and now playoff performances

where is stanley cup, dude?

 

[MCR74]

This thread is an absolute disaster. A place to celebrate someone doing something quite remarkable, and it's filled with people talking Sam Reinhart, changing numbers, playoffs, defence, cap allocations and everything else in between.

NHL fans are remarkable.

It's called "reaching".

 

[Arthur Morgan]

He literally was all they had. Best option as a c. They were missing their best centre at the time.

just saying, just because a guy is playing 1c doesnt mean they are a real 1c ya know. Stephenson is a great player but having a tougher season. according to capfriendly depth charts hes right now a healthy scratch too.
most teams he's likely a 2C/3C

 

[Montreal Shadow]

And as usual, the season will probably end with a whimper, not a bang...

Why are you so salty?

 

[amigo]

Amazing player.

 

[MCR74]

Why are you so salty?

This should be good.

 

[bobholly39]

75?

Yeah everyone's talking 70, I still want 75 lol

I wouldn't put it past him to have a couple more hat tricks up his sleeve. Probably going to be tough though...

 

[bigdog16]

Incredible regular season player. If there was a regular season hall of fame he would be first ballot.

How can Leaf fans sit here and actually claim he is one of the greatest players ever when he has made it out of the first round one time. Sad

 

[v00d00daddy]

Yes, I know Leaf fans believe that Auston Matthews is a Selke level defensive forward, and better than any other top scoring player in the league “by a long shot”.

Hmmm…I know (don’t just believe) that Matthews has gotten Selke votes the last 5 seasons

I also know that Reinhart got 6 votes for the selke once, last year. 23 players voted ahead of him.

Oh and he has a pretty good defensive forward as his center

So based on more than “beliefs”…I’ll say Reinhart is just about as close to Matthews defensively in his career as he is in scoring goals.

Back to facts.

Matthews is 2 away from 70 with 3 to play. Hopefully he does it on Saturday