Auston Matthews 69 goals in 81 games, most goals scored since Lemieux in 1995-96

[Haatley]

Except in real life - he wasn't.

Lemieux led the NHL in goals all of 3 times during his career.

The last time someone scored 66+ it was Lemieux. Who scored 69 in 60 games.

 

[Midnight Judges]

Because of injury and things like CANCER his games per year were relatively low.

Lemieux missed all of 22 games with cancer.

Remind me who led the NHL in goals during his career real quick.

Brett Hull.

 

[gretzkyoilers]

Lemieux missed all of 22 games with cancer.

And got 160 points in 60 games. Having cancer is not trivial especially when he had radiation treatment. He also played with a bad back. As Jagr said in the Spittin' Chicklets interview "I would not have believed the pain he played through if I had not witnessed it myself...you would have thought I was lying."

 

[Midnight Judges]

Because of injury and things like CANCER his games per year were relatively low. Overall he had 690 goals in 915 games meaning he averaged ~62 goals per year. He had 69 goals twice, 70 and 85 goals as highs....

Lemieux has neither the highest raw goal scoring season of his era, nor the highest adjusted goal scoring season of his era.

And got 160 points in 60 games. Having cancer is not trivial especially when he had radiation treatment.

yeah nah good point. It really held Lance Armstrong back too.

 

[X66]

The last time someone scored 66+ it was Lemieux. Who scored 69 in 60 games.

NHL save percentage that year…0.898

 

[AvroArrow]

The last time someone scored 66+ it was Lemieux. Who scored 69 in 60 games.

It was actually 69 goals in 70 games, he did however score 69 in 60 a few years before that. But yeah goal scoring is a lot lower today than it was then, you had multiple 70+ goal scorers in the 70s, goalies were much smaller and far less skilled.

But the year he scored 69 goals, there was nine 50 goal scorers, three 60 goal scorers and two 70 goal scorers. Scoring was obviously much higher back then and it is extremely logical to suggest they'd be scoring at a lower rate in todays game.

 

[Ol' Jase]

Lemieux has neither the highest raw goal scoring season of his era, nor the highest adjusted goal scoring season of his era.



yeah nah good point. It really held Lance Armstrong back too.

Holy f***.

 

[gretzkyoilers]

Lemieux has neither the highest raw goal scoring season of his era, nor the highest adjusted goal scoring season of his era.



yeah nah good point. It really held Lance Armstrong back too.

Wow...just wow

 

[AvroArrow]

yeah nah good point. It really held Lance Armstrong back too.

Delete this bro.

 

[authentic]

This is just getting absolutely insane.

Auston Matthews is not comparable in any way to Mario Lemieux.

What does “some years higher, some years lower” even mean?

Well let’s see, Mario Lemieux led the NHL in even strength goals once, Matthews now has done this 5 times already, and Lemieux played 6-7 minutes on the powerplay in some of his best seasons. This season on an adjusted basis is up there with any Lemieux season in goal scoring only.

 

[Ol' Jase]

NHL save percentage that year…0.898

Which is 0.6% lower than this season to date.

 

[gretzkyoilers]

I would love to see an NHL fun game played in vintage equipment from like 1990.

 

[Maple Leaf]

That’s not what I asked.

Are you old enough to have seen him play?

yea i saw him

 

[X66]

Which is 0.6% lower than this season to date.

That’s massive…

 

[Ol' Jase]

Well let’s see, Mario Lemieux led the NHL in even strength goals once, Matthews now has done this 5 times already, and Lemieux played 6-7 minutes on the powerplay in some of his best seasons. This season on an adjusted basis is up there with any Lemieux season in goal scoring only.

Ah, yes, so now Lemieux is getting PP merchant treatment.

Thank you for ignoring Lemieux's incredibly numerous injury plagued season, as well.

That’s massive…

No, no. You're not getting it.

6% difference between the two numbers

0.904 this year, 0.898 in 95-96.

Or I can make it easier for you here:

For every 1000 shots taken this season, 96 of them result in goals.

For every 1000 shots taken in 1995-96, 102 of them result in goals.

 

[X66]

Ah, yes, so now Lemieux is getting PP merchant treatment.

Thank you for ignoring Lemieux's incredibly numerous injury plagued season, as well.


No, no. You're not getting it.

0.6% difference between the two numbers

0.904 this year, 0.898 in 95-96.

Brother, .904 league average goaltending compared .0898 is huge.

 

[Bear of Bad News]

No, no. You're not getting it.

0.6% difference between the two numbers

0.904 this year, 0.898 in 95-96.

You're conflating percent change with percentage point change.

An 89.8% save percentage is an error rate of 10.2% (goals are allowed on 10.2% of shots).

A 90.4% save percentage is an error rate of 9.6%.

The first goaltender makes about 6% more errors than the second goaltender (10.2%/9.6%).

 

[Ol' Jase]

You're conflating percent change with percentage point change.

An 89.8% save percentage is an error rate of 10.2% (goals are allowed on 10.2% of shots).

A 90.4% save percentage is an error rate of 9.6%.

The first goaltender makes about 6% more errors than the second goaltender (10.2%/9.6%).

You're right, I did mean 6%.

Again, though, the actual quantitative differences are not overly significant.

The GAA average league wide in 1995-96 was 3.04. Each team, overall, allowed an average of 3.04 goals per game.

This year each team, overall, allows an average of 2.91 goals per game.

The difference in GAA between 1995-1996 and today is 0.13 goals per game.

Extrapolated over an 82 game schedule, that is an extra 10.7 goals over an entire season. That's an extra goal every 7.6 games.

 

[Ol' Jase]

Brother, .904 league average goaltending compared .0898 is huge.

I literally just did the math for you. It's an extra goal against every 7-8 games.

 

[Haatley]

NHL save percentage that year…0.898

It's .904 this year. Not enough to make a difference.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Just over an hour until I get to watch him can't wait.

 

[authentic]

Just over an hour until I get to watch him can't wait.

I think he's getting 70 tonight

 

[MacMacandBarbie]

Powerplay calls were 40% higher in 07/08 than today on average league wide. Also the Leafs are always near the bottom in pp opportunities every year with this year being no different (5th last), so between that and the bull in china shop style Ovie played with then (physicality invites physicality), I’d expect Matthews to be a bit lower either way.

Caps 07/08 = 346 to Leafs 23/24 = 223 (+55% Washington comparatively). The pp time discrepancy is more of matter of team play style, powerplay setup (the leafs value having 2 units) and more powerplays being called after the cap came in than anything else.

We went from averaging about 400 to about 300. Seems like a 25% reduction in powerplays called, but I know that number isn't as sexy.

The best player on the caps that just so happened to be a physical beast and possess the best PP one timer of all time had an influence on the style of play and PP setup. That I can guarantee you.

 

[Strangle]

This is just getting absolutely insane.

Auston Matthews is not comparable in any way to Mario Lemieux.

What does “some years higher, some years lower” even mean?

Have you run the numbers through your excel formula? How close or far away are they?

Lemieux’s career year was arguably 1989. He scored 85 goals that year and league average was 3.74

This is Matthews career year and he has 66 67 68 (and counting) with league average being 3.11

How do those stack up in the world of era adjustments?

 

[krutovsdonut]

Lemieux missed all of 22 games with cancer.

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