Auston Matthews 69 goals in 81 games, most goals scored since Lemieux in 1995-96

[PaulD]

This is the saddest truth.

Someone has a chance at 70 goals in todays game and people are acting like they don't want to see it.

I'm no leaf fan. But 70 for the first time since Mario 30 years ago?! Come on.
Gotta tip our hats.
Be something if he got against Panthers just before playing them in play off series.

 

[FrozenJagrt]

I'm no leaf fan. But 70 for the first time since Mario 30 years ago?! Come on.
Gotta tip our hats.
Be something if he got against Panthers just before playing them in play off series.

For the first time since Hull, no?

 

[Arthur Morgan]

In all seriousness by the time this season is done he may score enough that era-adjusted arguments cannot even be brought up.

well thats the thing, people can just make that up and say its era adjusted. but where do they do their math anyways? even a site thats made for that. how do you even know those are the right numbers? era adjusting is just a bunch of nonsense

Every one of them took up more net, because of the pads. All you have to do is look at the pics.

kinda like how Vasi looked so much bigger than Price in that picture?
I mean u can have a small fish and take a close up pic of it and now it looks bigger than it is.

I'm no leaf fan. But 70 for the first time since Mario 30 years ago?! Come on.
Gotta tip our hats.
Be something if he got against Panthers just before playing them in play off series.

its crazy that we might have a 70 goal scorer and even 2x players hit 100 assists

 

[Toene]

so did another 2 teams WPG and VGK I believe they were on a roll and Price standing on his head helped too.
I still haven't forgiven the leafs for that loss. it's what made me give up on the core and accept we're likely never winning anything with them

You guys need help on the back-end and in net. The Tavares move was ballsy and worth a try imo, but unfortunately led to the whole core asking for huge paydays and hurting your depth. You all know the story of course.

 

[X66]

AM silencing the Marner cheerleaders club.......Austin scoring at just as good or even better clip with Max Domi replacing little Mitchy. ha! Max Domi.

One thing that makes it a different look is that Domi is a left handed play maker, I wonder if that is opening up different opportunities.

Nylander and Marner both right handed.

 

[PaulD]

well thats the thing, people can just make that up and say its era adjusted. but where do they do their math anyways? even a site thats made for that. how do you even know those are the right numbers? era adjusting is just a bunch of nonsense


kinda like how Vasi looked so much bigger than Price in that picture?
I mean u can have a small fish and take a close up pic of it and now it looks bigger than it is.


its crazy that we might have a 70 goal scorer and even 2x players hit 100 assists

think I heard there could be 25 players score 40.
But with games like last night .....first 4 shots on Hawks and it was 4-0. .....on two goalies.
Scoring is easier than its been for awhile

 

[Arthur Morgan]

You guys need help on the back-end and in net. The Tavares move was ballsy and worth a try imo, but unfortunately led to the whole core asking for huge paydays and hurting your depth. You all know the story of course.

the core should never have gotten more than Tavares. he should have been the max. but the real tough part of all of it was expecting the cap to rise after u sign Tavares and then it doesnt and u enter 4 years of a deadcap.

they had some decent seasons just never got anything rolling in the playoffs.

I dunno that's the Dubas way. first thing he did when he got to PIT was acquire EK

 

[Arthur Morgan]

think I heard there could be 25 players score 40.
Bur with Hames like ladt night .....first 4 shots on Hawks 4-0. .....on two goalies.
Scoring is easier than its been for awhile

well the league has changed. its made more for high skilled players. I really dont think even the all time greats would have it any easier in todays NHL.
game is alot faster and higher end skilled players.
not saying that the greats would be shit now. I just think guys are little better today now then they were.

 

[gretzkyoilers]

Which goals wouldn’t have gone in, in 2003?

Scoring was at all all time low then....been discussed many times about how the shrinking of goalie equipment is now letting players bank shots off the goalie's back, short side shots (see Draisaitl)....goalies will have to adapt to smaller equiment....so for now, many more high scorers in the league....

 

[Arthur Morgan]

Scoring was at all all time low then....been discussed many times about how the shrinking of goalie equipment is now letting players bank shots off the goalie's back, short side shots (see Draisaitl)....goalies will have to adapt to smaller equiment....so for now, many more high scorers in the league....

scoring was low because NHL lacked high end talent at that time. alot of the highest end talent back then already had their best days behind them.

 

[PaulD]

well the league has changed. its made more for high skilled players. I really dont think even the all time greats would have it any easier in todays NHL.
game is alot faster and higher end skilled players.
not saying that the greats would be shit now. I just think guys are little better today now then they were.

Better equipment , better sticks, free roaming in front of net, 3 on 3.
I'm positive with all that Gretzky, Mario , Orr, Lafluer, Bossy, Yzerman , Sakic, Selanne, Bure, Lindros, Fedorov, Kurri, Messier, Gilmour, Hawercuck, would have figured it out.
Give Brett Hull, Bossy, and Mario the new sticks today, with no clutching and grabbing, no cross checks in front of the net........ide bet large on them getting 70.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

the core should never have gotten more than Tavares. he should have been the max. but the real tough part of all of it was expecting the cap to rise after u sign Tavares and then it doesnt and u enter 4 years of a deadcap.

That was the killer.

 

[PaulD]

the core should never have gotten more than Tavares. he should have been the max. but the real tough part of all of it was expecting the cap to rise after u sign Tavares and then it doesnt and u enter 4 years of a deadcap.

they had some decent seasons just never got anything rolling in the playoffs.

I dunno that's the Dubas way. first thing he did when he got to PIT was acquire EK

Dubas - a hockey politician

That was the killer.

except for the teams where it wasn't.

 

[Ol' Jase]

scoring was low because NHL lacked high end talent at that time. alot of the highest end talent back then already had their best days behind them.

There was a ton of talent in 2003.

 

[Sypher04]

Yes, he was one of the caps that drew the most PPs. They track this stat if you want to educate yourself. He drew PPs at 1.8 per 60 mins. Matthews is doing half of that this year.

Yeah, I think a site dominated by Americans is not having trouble accepting that Matthews is a good goal scorer.

I can think Mario and OV are more impressive goal scorers while also agreeing Matthews is amazing as well. Sorry your attempt to make me upset didn’t work, and that I’m a fan of hockey.

Powerplay calls were 40% higher in 07/08 than today on average league wide. Also the Leafs are always near the bottom in pp opportunities every year with this year being no different (5th last), so between that and the bull in china shop style Ovie played with then (physicality invites physicality), I’d expect Matthews to be a bit lower either way.

Caps 07/08 = 346 to Leafs 23/24 = 223 (+55% Washington comparatively). The pp time discrepancy is more of matter of team play style, powerplay setup (the leafs value having 2 units) and more powerplays being called after the cap came in than anything else.

 

[authentic]

think I heard there could be 25 players score 40.
But with games like last night .....first 4 shots on Hawks and it was 4-0. .....on two goalies.
Scoring is easier than its been for awhile

Matthews compared to the rest of the top 10 in goals with 4 games to go.

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Also if you notice 6, 7, 8 and 10 in 2007-08 were on pace for between 46-49 goals while Kaprizov at 10 this current season is the only one who's missed more than a few games and could've increased to the high 40s.

Then think of how one did this with complete offensive freedom and a major advantage in powerplay time over the rest of the top 10 except Kovalchuk while the other does it with less than most and is among the very best defensive forwards in the game...

 

[gretzkyoilers]

Better equipment , better sticks, free roaming in front of net, 3 on 3.
I'm positive with all that Gretzky, Mario , Orr, Lafluer, Bossy, Yzerman , Sakic, Selanne, Bure, Lindros, Fedorov, Kurri, Messier, Gilmour, Hawercuck, would have figured it out.
Give Brett Hull, Bossy, and Mario the new sticks today, with no clutching and grabbing, no cross checks in front of the net........ide bet large on them getting 70.

THIS

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

It's amusing to me that when Leafs fans were talking about points or goals per 60 the haters made a big joke about it. Now that he's got the straight up numbers, apparently it needs to be "era adjusted". You people can't keep your arguments straight.

 

[The Shadow]

THIS

So all those players would get 70 but only 1 player will maybe get it this year in a league full of many stars ?

 

[OilWagon]

Better equipment , better sticks, free roaming in front of net, 3 on 3.
I'm positive with all that Gretzky, Mario , Orr, Lafluer, Bossy, Yzerman , Sakic, Selanne, Bure, Lindros, Fedorov, Kurri, Messier, Gilmour, Hawercuck, would have figured it out.
Give Brett Hull, Bossy, and Mario the new sticks today, with no clutching and grabbing, no cross checks in front of the net........ide bet large on them getting 70.

So all of those guys are better goal scorers than anyone in the league currently except Matthew's. Is that your argument?

 

[gretzkyoilers]

So all those players would get 70 but only 1 player will maybe get it this year in a league full of many stars ?

From the last pos: "Give Brett Hull, Bossy, and Mario the new sticks today, with no clutching and grabbing, no cross checks in front of the net........ide bet large on them getting 70."

B Hull, Bossy and Mario....yes they would be 70+ goal scorers today....and we saw Hull and Mario do it before....

 

[X66]

From the last pos: "Give Brett Hull, Bossy, and Mario the new sticks today, with no clutching and grabbing, no cross checks in front of the net........ide bet large on them getting 70."

B Hull, Bossy and Mario....yes they would be 70+ goal scorers today....and we saw Hull and Mario do it before....

They'd definitely put up big numbers.

In my opinion though, it'll be around what Matthews and Ovechkin are doing though - which is still in the 70 goal territory.

Hull and Lemieux for sure.

 

[PaulD]

So all of those guys are better goal scorers than anyone in the league currently except Matthew's. Is that your argument?

Did I not specify Hull, Bossy and Mario?
And I'm not "arguing"

 

[gretzkyoilers]

They'd definitely put up big numbers.

In my opinion though, it'll be around what Matthews and Ovechkin are doing though - which is still in the 70 goal territory.

Hull and Lemieux for sure.

Given Hull got 86 and Mario got 85....no question 70+

 

[SkinsFan09]

well thats the thing, people can just make that up and say its era adjusted. but where do they do their math anyways? even a site thats made for that. how do you even know those are the right numbers? era adjusting is just a bunch of nonsense

Sites like Hockey Reference tell you exactly how they do era adjusted stats, it's basically just a normalization of stats to a mean it's not mischievous. And I'm sure the creators would correctly tell you it's not a perfect metric and can't be used to simply say X season was better than Y.

Comparing eras with context isn't nonsense in any sport. Whether you bring math into it or not, performances and stats are impacted by competition, rule changes etc. I could be that biggest Babe Ruth proponent out there and the reality is he didn't play against Black players.

You can support a player and acknowledge this.