Auston Matthews 69 goals in 81 games, most goals scored since Lemieux in 1995-96

[Razz]

Kind of wild to see a guy score 66 4 games left to get to 70 and he's third to fifth in the Hart odds. He might get 70 and not be even top 3.

The Hockey community writ large over emphasizes assists, and its been this way since Gretzky. Gretzky revolutionized the game and how we view assists from the lens of a team focused player.

 

[MacMacandBarbie]

Who cares if he drew a lot of penalties. That’s not what I’m saying.

If you want to educate yourself all you have to do is read.

All I’m saying is that Ovi didn’t draw every caps penalty. But he definitely cashed in (in terms of pp ice time) on almost every single one of them.

Drawn by him or not, Ovi played shitloads of PP time and that helped him put up his best goal scoring season.

It’s easier to score on the powerplay.

PP time helped Ovi to score his 65 a lot more than Matthews who just passed Ovi.

66 and counting. Done with less pp time than Ovi.

There is zero era influence, powerplay minutes, ice time or anything else that makes Ovi’s best single goal scoring season better than Matthews’.

Best goal scoring season than Mr Mario

Look man, if you want to live in a world where rule changes around goalie pads being ridiculously huge didn’t occur, and expansion didn’t water down the league, then go right ahead.

The problem is the above things did happen, and those are going to be brought up until the end of time. Do you believe there are 20 more goal scoring seasons than Matthews currently? No, it doesn't seem so. It seems like you are picking and choosing which context to pay attention to. Get rid of the 80s high scoring seasons? Sure, lets not have to deal with the fact that Alexander Mogilny has a 76 goal season.

 

[The90]

Look man, if you want to live in a world where rule changes around goalie pads being ridiculously huge didn’t occur, and expansion didn’t water down the league, then go right ahead.

The problem is the above things did happen, and those are going to be brought up until the end of time. Do you believe there are 20 more goal scoring seasons than Matthews currently? No, it doesn't seem so. It seems like you are picking and choosing which context to pay attention to. Get rid of the 80s high scoring seasons? Sure, lets not have to deal with the fact that Alexander Mogilny has a 76 goal season.

 

[MoreMogilny]

Kind of wild to see a guy score 66 4 games left to get to 70 and he's third to fifth in the Hart odds. He might get 70 and not be even top 3.

Putting him top 3 this season would diminish the accomplishments of the 3 outstanding players who have put themselves into a tier of their own for at least this season.

I love Matthews and I’m having a blast watching him score at such a crazy pace. But he isn’t up there with those guys this year.

 

[Video Nasty]

The way he’s playing, he might be flirting with the top 50 all-time goals scored in just two more seasons.

 

[saffronleaf]

That would be great if Matthews played the whole season with him, but it’s been a fraction of the season and domi already had learned the system and practiced with Matthews.

Rookie Backstrom had to learn the NHL game, was undersized, and took awhile to adjust. Luckily OV could create space and scoring chances better than anybody we have seen since Mario.

Agreed, there is literally nobody worse than Backstrom. Even if matthews played without wingers, 5-on-3, it wouldn't compare to Ovi having to play with Backstrom. Once you Backstrom-adjust Ovi season he had 150 goals.

 

[AD1066]

Kind of wild to see a guy score 66 4 games left to get to 70 and he's third to fifth in the Hart odds. He might get 70 and not be even top 3.

A paltry 38 assists. Clearly he's shooting to the detriment of his team.

I'm joking, but it is surprising to see his low assist totals. And if we're going to hear in this thread about how much more efficient he is than Ovi in having taken fewer shots to reach 65 goals, you'd expect to see those forgone opportunities going somewhere. Maybe he just doesn't generate offense as well. Which is fine, because only Crosby did.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

Putting him top 3 this season would diminish the accomplishments of the 3 outstanding players who have put themselves into a tier of their own for at least this season.

I love Matthews and I’m having a blast watching him score at such a crazy pace. But he isn’t up there with those guys this year.

Yea that's sort of my point. Matthews is having a ridiculous season nut it isn't even as ridiculous as the other seasons happening.

 

[saffronleaf]

Yep 12 goals and 24 points in his last 14 games, dominating defensively as well.

He's just riding the coattails of elite Domi and bert

 

[Oscar The Grouch]

Yep 12 goals and 24 points in his last 14 games, dominating defensively as well.

I think you guys need a reality check. See the NHLPA Players Poll. Matthews shows up in one category only. Best fashion

 

[TheBeastCoast]

I think you guys need a reality check. See the NHLPA Players Poll. Matthews shows up in one category only. Best fashion

The irony of a Sens fan talking about needing a reality check lmao

 

[BullyHockey]

I think you guys need a reality check. See the NHLPA Players Poll. Matthews shows up in one category only. Best fashion

What are you talking about? NHL players poll, who gives a crap about that, this guy is gonna get his second rocket(by a good margin too) in 3 years and probably more to come.

Matthews has most goals in a season in the cap era, and be people just down play it because he just scores consistently. But yeah, just spout a useless players poll

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

Yes, he was one of the caps that drew the most PPs. They track this stat if you want to educate yourself. He drew PPs at 1.8 per 60 mins. Matthews is doing half of that this year.

OV is third in the league in PP minutes for forwards. Could you let us know what position he is in for penalties drawn per 60 amongst forwards with minimum 40 GP? Asking for a friend.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

Look man, if you want to live in a world where rule changes around goalie pads being ridiculously huge didn’t occur, and expansion didn’t water down the league, then go right ahead.

The problem is the above things did happen, and those are going to be brought up until the end of time. Do you believe there are 20 more goal scoring seasons than Matthews currently? No, it doesn't seem so. It seems like you are picking and choosing which context to pay attention to. Get rid of the 80s high scoring seasons? Sure, lets not have to deal with the fact that Alexander Mogilny has a 76 goal season.

Which goalies in 2007-08 were bigger and took up more net than Vasi the last two years?

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

A paltry 38 assists. Clearly he's shooting to the detriment of his team.

I'm joking, but it is surprising to see his low assist totals. And if we're going to hear in this thread about how much more efficient he is than Ovi in having taken fewer shots to reach 65 goals, you'd expect to see those forgone opportunities going somewhere. Maybe he just doesn't generate offense as well. Which is fine, because only Crosby did.

Perhaps it IS going somewhere…..specifically on the OTHER side of the puck?

 

[Iwishihadaspacebar]

my guy hes had bertuzzi and domi as his wingers for 15 games and he still has like 12 goals

I'd say those two are better than the average winger to be fair.

 

[Strangle]

Who cares if he drew a lot of penalties. That’s not what I’m saying.

If you want to educate yourself all you have to do is read.

All I’m saying is that Ovi didn’t draw every caps penalty. But he definitely cashed in (in terms of pp ice time) on almost every single one of them.

Drawn by him or not, Ovi played shitloads of PP time and that helped him put up his best goal scoring season.

It’s easier to score on the powerplay.

PP time helped Ovi to score his 65 a lot more than Matthews who just passed Ovi.

66 and counting. Done with less pp time than Ovi.

There is zero era influence, powerplay minutes, ice time or anything else that makes Ovi’s best single goal scoring season better than Matthews’.

Best goal scoring season than Mr Mario

If the argument for Ovie and diminishing Matthews is ‘scoring environment’ being different, the best possible scoring environment in the NHL has always been the powerplay

If a player receives an inordinate amount of pp time more than another player, that at the very least counteracts any ‘goalie equipment’ argument

By how much? Who f***ing knows, the era adjusting crowd is just making up their bullshit as they go. They don’t even know what they mean when they say a thing

 

[Strangle]

Look man, if you want to live in a world where rule changes around goalie pads being ridiculously huge didn’t occur, and expansion didn’t water down the league, then go right ahead.

The problem is the above things did happen, and those are going to be brought up until the end of time. Do you believe there are 20 more goal scoring seasons than Matthews currently? No, it doesn't seem so. It seems like you are picking and choosing which context to pay attention to. Get rid of the 80s high scoring seasons? Sure, lets not have to deal with the fact that Alexander Mogilny has a 76 goal season.

Mogilny was one of the most talented player to ever play in the league. What’s your point here?

There were many players in Russia that were better than the North American players that were in the NHL.

When Mogilny came over he was one of, if not the very first of those players to show the NHL the kind of extreme talent they had in russia

Mogilny scoring 76 makes total sense, he was incredible

https://www.wgrz.com/article/news/unknown-story-of-wny-the-defection-of-alexander-mogilny/71-272900317

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

Look man, if you want to live in a world where rule changes around goalie pads being ridiculously huge didn’t occur, and expansion didn’t water down the league, then go right ahead.

The problem is the above things did happen, and those are going to be brought up until the end of time. Do you believe there are 20 more goal scoring seasons than Matthews currently? No, it doesn't seem so. It seems like you are picking and choosing which context to pay attention to. Get rid of the 80s high scoring seasons? Sure, lets not have to deal with the fact that Alexander Mogilny has a 76 goal season.

In my opinion, goalie equipment had an effect. I don't agree expansion had an effect. The influx of American and European players during the last 40 years more than made up for that. The league is now more talented than ever if you ask me.

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

I can't believe Matthews could very well pot 70 this year. Would be incredible. 4 in 5 is very possible.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

Mogilny was one of the most talented player to ever play in the league. What’s your point here?

There were many players in Russia that were better than the North American players that were in the NHL.

When Mogilny came over he was one of, if not the very first of those players to show the NHL the kind of extreme talent they had in russia

Mogilny scoring 76 makes total sense, he was incredible

https://www.wgrz.com/article/news/unknown-story-of-wny-the-defection-of-alexander-mogilny/71-272900317

Dry sense of humour too. Goes a long way with me. One of my top 5 favourite Leafs ever.

 

[SkinsFan09]

In my opinion, goalie equipment had an effect. I don't agree expansion had an effect. The influx of American and European players during the last 40 years more than made up for that. The league is now more talented than ever if you ask me.

Goalie equipment has clearly had an impact on league scoring. Also agree, league is as talented as ever top to bottom.

 

[Montreal Shadow]

I can't believe Matthews could very well pot 70 this year. Would be incredible. 4 in 5 is very possible.

He needs 4 in 4. He missed one game.

 

[Dr Pepper]

I can't believe Matthews could very well pot 70 this year. Would be incredible. 4 in 5 is very possible.

4 in 4, technically, but he's done that in one game before so it's definitely still possible.

Seems likely at this point......he's notched at least one in his last six games and in nine of the past eleven.

 

[saffronleaf]

I think you guys need a reality check. See the NHLPA Players Poll. Matthews shows up in one category only. Best fashion

Forget the NHLPA Players Poll. Matthews boosters should see the HFBoards poll between Matthews and Stutzle for a reality check. Matthews isn't even the best player on an Ontario-based team.