Domi is an established NHL center with has averaged close to a PPG when healthy. I think this proves my point, as he is miles ahead of what a rookie backstrom was when he was thrown into the lineup.Matthews has 10 goals in his last 10 games playing with Bertuzzi and Domi. I really do not understand this need to tear one player down to prop up another. You are allowed to appreciate what Matthews is doing without it somehow being disrespectful to Ovi lol
That’s not how adjusted stats work. I didn’t even say it was a great metric. But eras with lower scoring had slightly different rules that led to the same players scoring more when the scoring opened up, so it’s an undeniable factor that has to be discussed, versus taking away PP time to help account for the fact that OV drew more penalties in his prime than Matthews because he was harder to contain with the puck.But you can take goals away from Matthew’s or literally anyone outside of Ovechkin’s era?
You don’t see how that’s flawed?
Or excuse me, give other players a fraction of a goal per each of Ovechkin’s goals. So Ovechkin’s goals are worth 1.0, but everyone else’s is worth < 1.0
Makes total sense
Sure, I was just pointing out flawed stats, not really even debating who is better.Now is not the time. In 15 years when they are both out of the league we can have these barstool debates. Tonight, let Matthews' accomplishment shine without immediately trying to diminish it or compare it to another season.
As another poster said, what Matthews is doing now doesn't change what Ovechkin did and continues to do. And in 15 years if another player is out here scoring 80 it won't change what Matthews is doing now.
You have to account for the fact that OV draws more penalties. 1.8 per 60 mins. OV was harder to contain in 08’ then Matthews, and he was awarded more penalties because of that. Some of those blatant penalties he drew would have been goals otherwise. You can’t just discount the fact that OV got more power play time without factoring into the reasons why. That is the issue.Matthews actually is more effective. The point is brought up because of the huge discrepancy in powerplay time between the seasons being compared.
Ovie 07/08: 2.78PPG/60, 4.82PPP/60
Matthews 23/24: 3.96PPG/60, 6.52PPP/60
Ovie 07/08: 460:25 PPTOI
Matthews 23/24: 257:44 PPTOI
To further contextualize this, Matthews has 17 powerplay goals this season, 5 behind Ovie’s 07/08 season, in only 56% of the powerplay time Ovie had.
By the numbers it seems pretty clear cut honestly that this is a bigger factor in their totals than any era adjustment for league scoring level would be.
That’s a no from me dawg.McDavid is still the better goal scorer. He just decides if he wants to be or not.
Just like Tim Stutzle and cap space is better than Matthews and Brady Tkachuk is a playoff warrior who is more valuable than Mitch Marner.McDavid is still the better goal scorer. He just decides if he wants to be or not.
He's a Sens fan, your username pretty much explains the situation.That’s a no from me dawg.
He is 1st in goals by a country mile, he should win the Hart. Either way the critics will be silenced come June when he gets the MVP that matters.Matthews close to the Hart conversation. He has to be 3rd behind MacKinnon and Kucherov.
With that kind of stretching you should be doing gymnastics. Let's see him come close to his regular season scoring rate in the first couple rounds of the playoffs first.He is 1st in goals by a country mile, he should win the Hart. Either way the critics will be silenced come June when he gets the MVP that matters.
You have to account for the fact that OV draws more penalties. 1.8 per 60 mins. OV was harder to contain in 08’ then Matthews, and he was awarded more penalties because of that. Some of those blatant penalties he drew would have been goals otherwise.
Obviously MacKinnon will win it, but Matthews is 3rd I'd say for sure.He is 1st in goals by a country mile, he should win the Hart.
Someone from Cole Harbor will win it, but it won't be MacKinnon unfortunately.Obviously MacKinnon will win it, but Matthews is 3rd I'd say for sure.
We can revisit your thoughts when the voting comes in.Someone from Cole Harbor will win it, but it won't be MacKinnon unfortunately.
Crosby the Favorite for the Hart
Maybe, It obviously depends on how the team performs in the playoffs.all those goals for another early exit.
Nope, he is not for a snowy shit hole in Canada or any other place in Canada. Is the part of Arizona he is from a desert shit hole or a nice area, or somewhere in between?guess where he is from...
Arizona!!!!
Not some snowy shithole in canada!
guess where he is from...
Arizona!!!!
Not some snowy shithole in canada!
It's something to consider, even before making adjustments it was evident that those two seasons where quite similar due to their dominate special team production.Obviously 93 and 89 clear 23 McDavid (and I’d bet they would if you had ice time data to use as well) but I just thought it was interesting because 23 McDavid and 96 Lemieux reminded me of each other so much. Matching a season of that caliber is a remarkable achievement even if the top two by Lemieux are out of reach.
holy shit, I knew he got more PP time than Matthews but I didnt think it was over 200 more minsMatthews actually is more effective. The point is brought up because of the huge discrepancy in powerplay time between the seasons being compared.
Ovie 07/08: 2.78PPG/60, 4.82PPP/60
Matthews 23/24: 3.96PPG/60, 6.52PPP/60
Ovie 07/08: 460:25 PPTOI
Matthews 23/24: 257:44 PPTOI
To further contextualize this, Matthews has 17 powerplay goals this season, 5 behind Ovie’s 07/08 season, in only 56% of the powerplay time Ovie had.
By the numbers it seems pretty clear cut honestly that this is a bigger factor in their totals than any era adjustment for league scoring level would be.
its still possible. depending how Matthews does over the next few years. if he has a couple more 60+ seasons he likely wont need so many 50s later in his career. we are entering when Ovechkin started to look human out there and scored 30+ goals for 3 yearsThink it’s pretty clear at this point that he’s a better goal scorer at his peak than Ovi ever was.
Still seems unlikely he’ll pass Ovi as a career goalscorer, but at the same time who would have thought he’d even be better at this point in their careers either?
That’s not how adjusted stats work. I didn’t even say it was a great metric. But eras with lower scoring had slightly different rules that led to the same players scoring more when the scoring opened up, so it’s an undeniable factor that has to be discussed, versus taking away PP time to help account for the fact that OV drew more penalties in his prime than Matthews because he was harder to contain with the puck.
Sure, I was just pointing out flawed stats, not really even debating who is better.
You have to account for the fact that OV draws more penalties. 1.8 per 60 mins. OV was harder to contain in 08’ then Matthews, and he was awarded more penalties because of that. Some of those blatant penalties he drew would have been goals otherwise. You can’t just discount the fact that OV got more power play time without factoring into the reasons why. That is the issue.