Auston Matthew 50 in 50 watch (37 in 42 so far)

[Sasha Orlov]

To start they simply don’t get that many powerplays

Wouldn’t that make it even more important for him to be on the powerplay as much as possible?

 

[The Podium]

Why do the Leafs not maximize their best scorers’ time on the powerplay?

The Leafs just don’t get power plays… like ever

 

[The90]

Wouldn’t that make it even more important for him to be on the powerplay as much as possible?

… there’s only so many power plays for him to be on. He already plays an executive shift on every one. There’s literally just not that many power-plays.


To elaborate on this, I don’t think there’s some sort of conspiracy against the leafs, but I do think it’s easier to just not call penalties against the Leafs because it’s quieter. Imagine the noise if Toronto was the top team in power play opportunities every year like Colorado. This place would be an absolute zoo every time a penalty was called. As it stands, very few penalties are called and people still lose their mind. Take a look at the Boston board out of town thread for example after a leaf game (I like reading their board, because it’s generally pretty knowledgeable/ mature, even at that, there is almost always a ‘of course the leafs get that call’ type comment). It’s easier for a ref to just not make a call, than it is to put his nuts on the line and have to face the firestorm.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

… there’s only so many power plays for him to be on. He already plays an executive shift on every one. There’s literally just not that many power-plays.


To elaborate on this, I don’t think there’s some sort of conspiracy against the leafs, but I do think it’s easier to just not call penalties against the Leafs because it’s quieter. Imagine the noise if Toronto was the top team in power play opportunities every year like Colorado. This place would be an absolute zoo every time a penalty was called. As it stands, very few penalties are called and people still lose their mind. Take a look at the Boston board out of town thread for example after a leaf game (I like reading their board, because it’s generally pretty knowledgeable/ mature, even at that, there is almost always a ‘of course the leafs get that call’ type comment). It’s easier for a ref to just not make a call, than it is to put his nuts on the line and have to face the firestorm.

I think we are deviating from my original, fairly innocent question regarding the statement that he isn’t “fed PP time” which implies he isn’t being used on every powerplay extensively (which he is)

Leafs clearly get very little PP time compared to other teams for whatever reason, that’s just a statistical fact

 

[All Mod Cons]

He's respected. The issue is the pushback against the over the top homerism from Leafs fans about him

The dude can't even beat Laine, Barzal, Stutzle, Caufield, Thompson or Larkin in a poll. He ain't respected.

 

[The90]

I think we are deviating from my original, fairly innocent question regarding the statement that he isn’t “fed PP time” which implies he isn’t being used on every powerplay extensively (which he is)

Leafs clearly get very little PP time compared to other teams for whatever reason, that’s just a statistical fact

I don’t think it implied that. I think that comment implied he just simply doesn’t have the opportunity

 

[pcruz]

You want to have a hell of a trip with numbers:


Since entering the league, here is the list of players who have scored as many total goals, as Matthews has even strength goals:

For the record, that number is 251 Even Strength goals.

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	GP	Total Goals
Draisaitl	570	307
Pastrnak	539	305
Ovechkin	548	305
McDavid	563	303

Since the year before entering the league, yes Draft -1 (minus 1 season), here is the list of players who have scored as many total goals as Matthews has even strength goals.


Ovechkin (355), Draisaitl (326), Pastrnak (320), McDavid (319), Marchand (275), Crosby (274), Mackinnon (270), Kucherov (266), Tavares (265), Stamkos (258), Scheifele (257), P. Kane (253)

That's the entirety of the list of players who have played a full season more than Matthews, and have scored as many total goals (SH + PP + EV) as Matthews has Even Strength goals.



Even more of a trip.

This is the list of players with as many EV goals as Matthews has through the years (cumulative until today):

From Season	Matthews' Age	List of Players with more than 251 EV Goals
2016/17	19	Matthews
2015/16	18	"
2014/15	17	" + Ovechkin
2013/14	16	"
2012/13	15	" + Crosby
2011/12	14	" + Tavares, P. Kane, Marchand, Stamkos, Skinner
2010/11	13	" + Seguin
2009/10	12	" + Benn, Pavelski
2008/09	11	" + Kessel, Malkin, Perry, J. Carter
2007/08	10	" + Kopitar, Toews, Parise, E. Staal
2006/07	9	" + R. Nash
2005/06	8	" + Bergeron, Marleau

There are a total of 22 NHL players who, from the 2005/06 season until today, have scored as many even Strength goals as Matthews has in his 8 seasons.

 

[keglu]

How is this:

Matthews has 28 Even Strength goals this year in 42 games played.
Matthews has ranks 71st in the league in total power play time with 134:33.
That is a minimum of 30 minutes less than any of the other guys with 28+ goals scored this season, which is a huge difference.

There are 3 players with 28 total goals (Even strength, power play, shorthanded):

	GP	Ev Goals	PP Goals	SH Goals	Total Goals	PP ToI
Reinhart	44	13	16	4	33	163:38
Pastrnak	44	19	10	0	29	167:39
Kucherov	44	18	10	0	28	176:32

I cant figure out these 28EV goals. He has 20 (5v5), 0(4v4), 1(3v3). Does this mean he scored 7 goals (almost same amount as on PP) in wierd situations like 5v6, 6v5 etc?

 

[pcruz]

I cant figure out these 28EV goals. He has 20 (5v5), 0(4v4), 1(3v3). Does this mean he scored 7 goals (almost same amount as on PP) in wierd situations like 5v6, 6v5 etc?

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[Sypher04]

Riddle me this:


If Matthews plays another 60 minutes per year on the power play, does he score 5 more goals per season on average?


Since entering the league in 2016/17, Matthews sits 55th in total power play time on ice:

I'll list the top 10 power play time on ice leaders during that time frame, and then the 55th.


I wonder if Toronto would have scored a few more goals with the 300 power play difference between them and Colorado for example.

At the same conversion rate of 21%, that comes out to just over 74 power play goal potential.

	GP	Total Goals	PP ToI	PP Goals	Team PP Opportunities	Team PP %
Ovechkin	548	305	2, 420:29	107	1714	17.9
Mackinnon	537	249	2, 062:50	70	1982	19.2
Rantanen	527	244	2, 031:36	87	1982	19.2
Draisaitl	570	307	2, 012:46	128	1693	22.3
McDavid	563	303	1, 997:29	72	1693	22.3
P. Kane	541	207	1. 951:49	46	1750	14.3
Reinhart	570	249	1, 921:07	86	1867	18.6
J. Carlson	516	91	1, 887:26	26	1714	17.9
Crosby	525	236	1, 861:27	67	1788	19.1
Matthews	523	336	1, 529:34	85	1629	21.0

Absolutely wild that OV has 800 more minutes on the powerplay than Matthews does since Auston entered the league.

 

[authentic]

Absolutely wild that OV has 800 more minutes on the powerplay than Matthews does since Auston entered the league.

Think that’s crazy compare their first 8 seasons. Ovechkin has almost 1400 more, almost double.

 

[Dust]

Didn't Babcock refuse to put him on the PP in his first couple seasons?

 

[Golden_Jet]

Didn't Babcock refuse to put him on the PP in his first couple seasons?

No, rookie year was on second unit though.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

I don’t think it implied that. I think that comment implied he just simply doesn’t have the opportunity

In that case I would agree

His PP time vs Ovechkin is just insane, really puts how special his scoring is into perspective

 

[The90]

In that case I would agree

His PP time vs Ovechkin is just insane, really puts how special his scoring is into perspective

800 minutes of pp time is definitely a crazy difference. Both special players.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

How does that really blow you away? He is pacing but still really early, if he is pacing this way after 500-600 goals the talks will heat up, but there’s nothing but speculation to suggest he’s going to separate himself from the likes of Stamkos, Iginla, Sakic, etc because it’s just too early to tell

Tbh he doesn’t rely on speed so I can see him compiling similar to Selanne but he simply doesn’t have the shot for me to really see him among the goal scoring GOATs like OV, Mario, Hull, etc. and if I’m being honest, we probably have already seen enough from him to say that even if he passed Bobby or Mario in the leaderboard he would never be considered better than those guys.

He doesn’t have the shot? That’s literally been one of his most defining features.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

In that case I would agree

His PP time vs Ovechkin is just insane, really puts how special his scoring is into perspective

Around 1400 less minutes played, almost entirely on the PP. Basically give Matthews 70 extra games of exclusively PP time and see what he does.

 

[KevinRedkey]

Speaking of McDavid, I wonder if he'll break 30 this year.

He's currently on pace for the same number of goals as Matthews is assists.

The dude can't even beat Laine, Barzal, Stutzle, Caufield, Thompson or Larkin in a poll. He ain't respected.

That's because you ignore the context of the polls, and whine about it everywhere as if the other 31 fanbases are wrong. lol

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

That's because you ignore the context of the polls, and whine about it everywhere as if the other 31 fanbases are wrong. lol

The “context” is generally pretty stupid.

 

[KevinRedkey]

The “context” is generally pretty stupid.

But only when your players loses. lol

 

[authentic]

800 minutes of pp time is definitely a crazy difference. Both special players.

These are their first 8 seasons. This one is only halfway through for Matthews but Ovechkin’s 8th season was only 48 games long.

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3108 to 1529!

That is just crazy. Plus Matthews has 2/3s the powerplay goals in half the time.

 

[Straight Fire]

Matthews just has an uncanny knack for being able to score; anticipation is amazing, knows how to create open space and be there, has a terrific shot (all types) and has that extra finesse to seal the deal. Definitely has the potential to be near the top when all is said and done. Again, health and whole bunch of other things need to be there too for a long time. I'd love to see him claw close to 80 or even 90 goals at least once, but I know that's a tall ask in this era. What he's accomplishing is amazing.

 

[The90]

He's currently on pace for the same number of goals as Matthews is assists.



That's because you ignore the context of the polls, and whine about it everywhere as if the other 31 fanbases are wrong. lol

Also because everyone hates the leafs. How’s stu + Tarasenko working these days

 

[MCR74]

Also because everyone hates the leafs. How’s stu + Tarasenko working these days

Come on, you know better than that.

 

[The90]

Come on, you know better than that.

Unfortunately, I do not. But, neither does he it seems lol