Auston Matthew 50 in 50 watch (37 in 42 so far)

[BigBadBruins7708]

Selanne, Bure and Yzerman are Matthews’ goal scoring comparables.

Those other three (Sakic, Iginla and Stamkos) are not. Matthews has already proven to be a higher caliber goal scorer.

Not higher than Stamkos.

Stamkos put up 60 in a season where only 4 total scored 40+ goals. Matthews did it in a season where 17 scored 40+

 

[CN8]

For one season I would love to see the totals for him and McDavid on a line together.
Matthews 80 goals McDavid 170?

 

[KrisLetAngry]

Not higher than Stamkos.

Stamkos put up 60 in a season where only 4 total scored 40+ goals. Matthews did it in a season where 17 scored 40+

You are right Stamkos 60 goal season is arguably more impressive if you do 60 v 60.

Matthews did play 73 games though versus 82 games and the fact Ovechkin just scored over 60 and Stamkos a couple years later did it where Matthews was the first since Stamkos.

Depends how you view it.

I view Matthews currently as a superior player than Stamkos at the same age.
Stamkos has aged really well though so we will have to see.

 

[Jojalu]

3 guys that played in some of the lowest scoring eras in league history. Matthews plays in the high flying 80s compared to the late 90s/00s

This is not really true.

Stamkos year the average was 2.73.
This year 3.12
Flying 80's peaked at 4.01 and averaged around 3.89.

So while it was tougher to score when Stamkos hit 60, it is not closer to the flying 80's at all

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

How many does he need to score to gain respect from us sitting on our couches at home that's the real question

 

[34]

For one season I would love to see the totals for him and McDavid on a line together.
Matthews 80 goals McDavid 170?

That would be illegal.

 

[ImJustJokinen]

For one season I would love to see the totals for him and McDavid on a line together.
Matthews 80 goals McDavid 170?

McDavid already reached 153. If Matthews is scoring 20 more goals, McDavid is probably closer to 185 points.

 

[Busher]

Not higher than Stamkos.

Stamkos put up 60 in a season where only 4 total scored 40+ goals. Matthews did it in a season where 17 scored 40+

Matthews has a higher peak, and his best seasons are better than Stamkos’ best seasons.

Matthews has scored his 336 goals in 100 less games played than Stamkos (Matthews 523, Stamkos 622).

Matthews has never had a bad goal scoring year, whereas Stamkos has had many. Even Matthews’ “bad” season last year would be a “good” goal scoring year for Stamkos.

It was close at the start of their careers, but Matthews has separated himself, and is also aging better.

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

How many does he need to score to gain respect from us sitting on our couches at home that's the real question

He's respected. The issue is the pushback against the over the top homerism from Leafs fans about him

 

[authentic]

5m going forward, probably more in few years.

Oh sorry so we get another one of Bertuzzis nephews then

 

[bobholly39]

McDavid already reached 153. If Matthews is scoring 20 more goals, McDavid is probably closer to 185 points.

No way.

McDavid already plays with Draisaitl. Maybe if the premise was, he gets to play with both of them, he gets more points. But if you swap out Draisailt for Matthews, I don't think McDavid's point totals go up.

 

[authentic]

Going to disagree as pre-leg injury Stammer was just as good as Matthews. Let’s hope Matthews doesn’t have something big happen to him, and hope his wrist problems are behind him.

Pre injury Stamkos was just as good offensively for 1 season and 17 games. He wasn’t in the same area code as an all around player, didn’t do anything away from the puck even comparable to Matthews. Plus this is the third season Matthews is scoring at an insane level so sorry to say peak Stamkos has already been surpassed by Matthews.

 

[pcruz]

How is this:

Matthews has 28 Even Strength goals this year in 42 games played.
Matthews has ranks 71st in the league in total power play time with 134:33.
That is a minimum of 30 minutes less than any of the other guys with 28+ goals scored this season, which is a huge difference.

There are 3 players with 28 total goals (Even strength, power play, shorthanded):

	GP	Ev Goals	PP Goals	SH Goals	Total Goals	PP ToI
Reinhart	44	13	16	4	33	163:38
Pastrnak	44	19	10	0	29	167:39
Kucherov	44	18	10	0	28	176:32

 

[bobholly39]

Not higher than Stamkos.

Stamkos put up 60 in a season where only 4 total scored 40+ goals. Matthews did it in a season where 17 scored 40+

Stamkos scoed 60 goals at age 21. Since then - he's hit 40 goals 3x total.

Stamkos started out his career as a goal-scorer in a fantastic way. But after injuries, he dropped off majorly. He's still haveing a great career and has put forth some impressive seasons, but from an all-time goal-scoring perspective, he simply doesn't rank that high.

Short of Matthews getting some major career injury or dropping off a cliff in play, he will surpass Stamkos as an all-time goal-scorer very comfortably.

Age for age - by age 26 for goal-scoring only, Stamkos and Matthews are close, but it's already edge Matthews. The gap will likely just keep on growing.

 

[authentic]

How does that really blow you away? He is pacing but still really early, if he is pacing this way after 500-600 goals the talks will heat up, but there’s nothing but speculation to suggest he’s going to separate himself from the likes of Stamkos, Iginla, Sakic, etc because it’s just too early to tell

Tbh he doesn’t rely on speed so I can see him compiling similar to Selanne but he simply doesn’t have the shot for me to really see him among the goal scoring GOATs like OV, Mario, Hull, etc. and if I’m being honest, we probably have already seen enough from him to say that even if he passed Bobby or Mario in the leaderboard he would never be considered better than those guys.

Wait did you really just say he doesn’t have the shot? As in he does not shoot the puck good enough?

 

[authentic]

This is not really true.

Stamkos year the average was 2.73.
This year 3.12
Flying 80's peaked at 4.01 and averaged around 3.89.

So while it was tougher to score when Stamkos hit 60, it is not closer to the flying 80's at all

Plus the season Matthews scored 60 it was a little lower around 3, and Matthews also gets considerably less powerplay time than all the other top scorers while also playing a very good two-way game. I don’t understand anyone claiming Stamkos was better at his peak especially since this is the 3rd season now where Matthews is scoring at a 65-70 goal pace and literally scored 60 in 73 games. His era wasn’t that much lower scoring that 60 in 82 is more impressive than 60 in 73, and in every other facet of the game Matthews is superior.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Dude couldn’t stop scoring goals to save his life

 

[The90]

How is this:

Matthews has 28 Even Strength goals this year in 42 games played.
Matthews has ranks 71st in the league in total power play time with 134:33.
That is a minimum of 30 minutes less than any of the other guys with 28+ goals scored this season, which is a huge difference.

There are 3 players with 28 total goals (Even strength, power play, shorthanded):

	GP	Ev Goals	PP Goals	SH Goals	Total Goals	PP ToI
Reinhart	44	13	16	4	33	163:38
Pastrnak	44	19	10	0	29	167:39
Kucherov	44	18	10	0	28	176:32

To all of the ‘the league wants the league to win, of course they gave Toronto a powerplay’, folks

 

[authentic]

How is this:

Matthews has 28 Even Strength goals this year in 42 games played.
Matthews has ranks 71st in the league in total power play time with 134:33.
That is a minimum of 30 minutes less than any of the other guys with 28+ goals scored this season, which is a huge difference.

There are 3 players with 28 total goals (Even strength, power play, shorthanded):

	GP	Ev Goals	PP Goals	SH Goals	Total Goals	PP ToI
Reinhart	44	13	16	4	33	163:38
Pastrnak	44	19	10	0	29	167:39
Kucherov	44	18	10	0	28	176:32

This, plus check out how many players score more even strength points than Matthews scores even strength goals. If he got fed powerplay time like Ovechkin he would be above a goal per game right now.

 

[ImJustJokinen]

No way.

McDavid already plays with Draisaitl. Maybe if the premise was, he gets to play with both of them, he gets more points. But if you swap out Draisailt for Matthews, I don't think McDavid's point totals go up.

That doesn’t make sense either. So what you’re saying is that Matthews’ shot/shooting % is so much better than Draisaitl’s, that their general difference of 10 over a year expands to 25, even assuming Draisaitl and McDavid are on a line together all the time (which they aren’t) like Matthews and McDavid will be in this scenario?

Additionally, if McDavid is factoring in on those 20 extra goals already to get Matthews to 80, there is also a potentially symbiotic relationship in which he will be scoring more goals too, on top of those 20 extra assists he gets due to Matthews’ playmaking.

This, plus check out how many players score more even strength points than Matthews scores even strength goals. If he got fed powerplay time like Ovechkin he would be above a goal per game right now.

Ovechkin also had a very unique niche on the power play with his handedness and release. Giving Matthews some more PP time (marginal since it maxes out at 2, plus fatigue etc), will increase his output sure, but not on Ovi’s level.

 

[Regal]

Plus the season Matthews scored 60 it was a little lower around 3, and Matthews also gets considerably less powerplay time than all the other top scorers while also playing a very good two-way game. I don’t understand anyone claiming Stamkos was better at his peak especially since this is the 3rd season now where Matthews is scoring at a 65-70 goal pace and literally scored 60 in 73 games. His era wasn’t that much lower scoring that 60 in 82 is more impressive than 60 in 73, and in every other facet of the game Matthews is superior.

I mean even ignoring that doing something is better than pace, a simple GPG adjustment shows it to be slightly better per game. Not that scoring slightly more one season makes him a better player. But we don’t have to pretend it wasn’t to still say Matthews was better.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

This, plus check out how many players score more even strength points than Matthews scores even strength goals. If he got fed powerplay time like Ovechkin he would be above a goal per game right now.

Why do the Leafs not maximize their best scorers’ time on the powerplay?

 

[The90]

Why do the Leafs not maximize their best scorers’ time on the powerplay?

To start they simply don’t get that many powerplays

 

[Goose]

How does that really blow you away? He is pacing but still really early, if he is pacing this way after 500-600 goals the talks will heat up, but there’s nothing but speculation to suggest he’s going to separate himself from the likes of Stamkos, Iginla, Sakic, etc because it’s just too early to tell

Tbh he doesn’t rely on speed so I can see him compiling similar to Selanne but he simply doesn’t have the shot for me to really see him among the goal scoring GOATs like OV, Mario, Hull, etc. and if I’m being honest, we probably have already seen enough from him to say that even if he passed Bobby or Mario in the leaderboard he would never be considered better than those guys.

Let’s sum up your argument:

1. Yes he’s trending for greatest goal scorer of all time conversation but at 300+ goals it’s not enough sample size to say how he’s pacing.
2. I want him to score 500-600 goals (basically Top 25 in NHL history) before I’m willing to talk about how he’s pacing.
3. Even if he does keep up his pace for my ridiculously-stipulated sample size and score more than the people I think are the goats I’m not giving to give him credit because *checks notes*, “he simply doesn’t have the shot for me” and I’ve already made up my mind that it’s not possible he’ll be one of the goats.

So yes, I’m blown away by people like you who live in a world where 300 goals isn’t enough of a sample size and who then say even he does score more than Bobby Hull (which would put him 17th all time) in an era where goaltenders actually do some goaltending that it’s not good enough because you don’t like the way his shot looks.

 

[pcruz]

That doesn’t make sense either. So what you’re saying is that Matthews’ shot/shooting % is so much better than Draisaitl’s, that their general difference of 10 over a year expands to 25, even assuming Draisaitl and McDavid are on a line together all the time (which they aren’t) like Matthews and McDavid will be in this scenario?

Additionally, if McDavid is factoring in on those 20 extra goals already to get Matthews to 80, there is also a potentially symbiotic relationship in which he will be scoring more goals too, on top of those 20 extra assists he gets due to Matthews’ playmaking.


Ovechkin also had a very unique niche on the power play with his handedness and release. Giving Matthews some more PP time (marginal since it maxes out at 2, plus fatigue etc), will increase his output sure, but not on Ovi’s level.

Riddle me this:


If Matthews plays another 60 minutes per year on the power play, does he score 5 more goals per season on average?


Since entering the league in 2016/17, Matthews sits 55th in total power play time on ice:

I'll list the top 10 power play time on ice leaders during that time frame, and then the 55th.


I wonder if Toronto would have scored a few more goals with the 300 power play difference between them and Colorado for example.

At the same conversion rate of 21%, that comes out to just over 74 power play goal potential.

	GP	Total Goals	PP ToI	PP Goals	Team PP Opportunities	Team PP %
Ovechkin	548	305	2, 420:29	107	1714	17.9
Mackinnon	537	249	2, 062:50	70	1982	19.2
Rantanen	527	244	2, 031:36	87	1982	19.2
Draisaitl	570	307	2, 012:46	128	1693	22.3
McDavid	563	303	1, 997:29	72	1693	22.3
P. Kane	541	207	1. 951:49	46	1750	14.3
Reinhart	570	249	1, 921:07	86	1867	18.6
J. Carlson	516	91	1, 887:26	26	1714	17.9
Crosby	525	236	1, 861:27	67	1788	19.1
Matthews	523	336	1, 529:34	85	1629	21.0