AUDIO - Cam Neely looses it on 98.5 as Felger and Mazz pound him with questions

[DoubleAAAA]

I feel like the Smith trade had much more to do with things GM's don't put out there for public consumption. My read is that the "passenger" talk this team's young "leaders" (Marchand, Krug) were so fond of mentioning referred to Smith in particular. And I think Sweeney/Neely felt they were getting a player who'd benefit them by making them a little "heavier" on the right wing. You know, that "heavy" crap Neely is always talking about.

so ultimately I think they envisioned a little addition by subtraction as well as finding a better fit. Obviously after year one, they seem wrong again.

I think this is correct. So much off-season talk about getting guys that "wanted to be here", not only trades and FA's but draft as well. Think that was at least a bit of the motivation behind moving the guys who were shipped out (aside from Looch).

Obviously they expected more from Hayes, but given FLA took on Savvy's (edit based on back reading Dom's posts - salary, not cap) burden, I'm guessing all sides felt Reilly was ultimately the higher upside player and it's playing out that way.

 

[DoubleAAAA]

My only big concern with all this and we'll see what the future brings is managerial style and emotional fortitude.

I dont care what business or vocation anyone is in , top leadership must have a constant.

He/she must have a passion for what they do. It must be evident to those within the company or group. It must be expressed in a way to gain collaboration and acceptance of the vision.
However, he/she must also have the counter balance to be steady, focused and outwardly calm under pressure. He/she must be able to keep control under bad times. Both professionally as well as personally.

As the top goes......so does the ranks.

So, while I understand his angst. While I truly appreciate his passion. Neely needs to realize, embrace and exude those attributes of a top manager.

Thinking back to Sweeney's introductory press conference. Of the 3, he was the only one that instilled any faith in me as a competent leader. Charlie and Cam are extremely underwhelming figures publicly, at least in my opinion.

 

[jgatie]

20/20 hindsight?

No it isn't

. . .

Blah blah, blahbitty blah

. . .

Until you post a link to your posts from back in 2013 saying "Play Seguin at first line center, and either trade Krejci or move him to the wing!", then it most certainly IS 100% hindsight. I'll be waiting.

 

[rocketdan9]

Thinking back to Sweeney's introductory press conference. Of the 3, he was the only one that instilled any faith in me as a competent leader. Charlie and Cam are extremely underwhelming figures publicly, at least in my opinion.

Very. I don't even know how cam got promoted to be the president of the team


Neely is no natural exec. Nervous guy. Emotional.


Jacobs must of hired him so they can do the real president duties(hands on control), while cam is just a puppet "figure"

 

[Dr Quincy]

I think this is correct. So much off-season talk about getting guys that "wanted to be here", not only trades and FA's but draft as well. Think that was at least a bit of the motivation behind moving the guys who were shipped out (aside from Looch).

Obviously they expected more from Hayes, but given FLA took on Savvy's (edit based on back reading Dom's posts - salary, not cap) burden, I'm guessing all sides felt Reilly was ultimately the higher upside player and it's playing out that way.

They've said that every time a guy leaves. If they are dealing based on who hangs out with the clique in the locker room instead of who produces on the ice, then the organization is in bigger trouble than I thought.

 

[DoubleAAAA]

They've said that every time a guy leaves. If they are dealing based on who hangs out with the clique in the locker room instead of who produces on the ice, then the organization is in bigger trouble than I thought.

Very true. To an extent, I don't disagree with the "if you don't want to be here, then we don't want you" attitude. Unfortunately it seems as though its spurred some less than optimal solutions, and doesn't seem like much effort is put into helping those guys settle in.

 

[Dr Quincy]

No not an issue. Chiarelli did it during his last season putting him on LTIR before the season. They had 3 options, two involved waiting for day one and one involves doing it the last day of camp.

And they could have done it this season as well. Enough bodies to send down to get under the cap. Not that they needed to because they were already under.

I don't think the intent was ever to use LTIR. As evidence by not putting Kelly on LTIR and using that money to improve.

So, they either misunderstood LTIR, or they were saving actual dollars. Had nothing to do with cap flexibility. I would definitely call Neely out on that.

Dom, by my reading of the cap, isn't there a loss of flexibility when a team uses LTIR to exceed the cap? For example, that can mean earned bonuses get applied to the next year's cap. The B's are already dealing with a ~$1m loss of cap space this year because of bonus carryover. Now it doesn't look like anyone would be getting much this year (if any) but with Savard on the books next year, and possible bonuses earned next season, you could be dealing with a reduction of cap space in 2017-18.

Also, and this I've never been sure about, so correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe when you max out using LTIR your daily avg. cap is at the max, so you never accrued any extra space and thus have less flexibility at the deadline. While other teams even just $1m under would be garnering extra space to add a player who makes more than $1m, if you have a LTIR guy on your cap all year you are never accruing any extra space (though if you haven't replaced all of the LTIR guy's overture amount, you'd still have that to spend).

While I don't think it's a huge savings and shouldn't be a reason to deal a better player for an inferior one, I do generally agree with the idea that placing a guy on LTIR for a full season has cap implications. There is a reason teams don't automatically do it.

 

[BostonPC]

Can we all please remember what an invisible player Seguin was in the 2013 finals and most of the playoffs? I don't care about the off ice issues if he had put ANY effort out in the finals Boston would have had another cup.

If you are Patrice Bergeron playing with essentially a broken body in the finals I don't think you would have been too thrilled looking at a guy who was floating like Phil Kessel in a mens Sunday afternoon league.

Hindsight is great and I have always said they needed to get more for Seguin but his immaturity and lack of effort lead to his being dealt and I had no problem with it then or now. A return of Eriksson, Smith and minor leaguers is on Chiarelli and his inability to do his job.

As far as Neely goes now, I don't know how anybody could put up with those two idiots Felger and Mazz and not swear up a storm, one thinks he is the radio incarnation of Scotty Bowman and the other knows nothing about hockey. Neely knows this is his last chance and two weasley little know it alls trying to be funny for ratings would set me off as well.

Never mind the fact that the game he knows and grew up playing is being usurped by analytic geeks and pacifists, nope I wouldn't be thrilled either. None of this forgives last years defense though.

No... I remember how he was playing. I also watch a lot of sports and keep track of prospects along the way. You don't take a potential franchise player and toss them to the side without getting back a fortune. If you want to take someone like him for another player in a different position who has the same talent then that is fine but the Bruins usually make stupid decisions when it comes to trades. They need to get smarter in this area.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

This gets overblown to an extent around here.

Jacobs is worth $3.7 Billion. That's billion with a capital B

The Bruins in 2014-2015 had revenues of $158 Million. After expenses he was left with $26 Million. That's before taxes.

So for the playoff revenue, right off the top, 35% of revenues goes directly to revenue sharing to the bottom revenue teams. With the Bruins in the top 10 in revenue (they are fifth) that's an automatic. JJ loses that from the get go. From round two on, ALL advertising revenue goes directly to the league and not the team.

So while there is money to be made, especially for teams not in the top ten in revenue, the likes of Pittsburgh, Nashville, Minnesota, San Jose, Dallas, Anaheim, it's peanuts to JJ and his $3.7 billion

Thanks so much for this.

Not that it will help much with the blame the cheap owner crowd. I'm sure they will just ignore these pertinent facts.

 

[Ladyfan]

Like I said, I don't know if he's a good executive or not.

I DO know that I have no problem with him being angry and disappointed in not making the playoffs. His candor on this show is a positive to this fan.

Thank you for this post. I so agree with you

 

[GloryDaze4877]

And after the Habs exposed them in '14 he was saying we need more skill.

Then when they draft skilled players like Koko and sign Czarnik we never see them. I would have taken a green Czarnik or "lazy" Koko over a crappy Kemp any day of the week.

Love Czarnik, but the guys has spent one...one year in the AHL. Time to pump the brakes a bit.

 

[SanDogBrewin]

I'm also highly skeptical about what Cam has said about why Loui wasn't moved.

Because Cam wanted to try and make the playoffs, maybe ?

With deductive reasoning, Cam probably thought that LouI could still signed if they kept him. Teams can still and have signed their own free agents. Neely probably knows he can keep LouI and still re-sign him.

I liked how Neely told both those clowns that they could figure out things on their own. I doubt those two can figure it out though.

 

[Bergyesque]

I feel like the Smith trade had much more to do with things GM's don't put out there for public consumption. My read is that the "passenger" talk this team's young "leaders" (Marchand, Krug) were so fond of mentioning referred to Smith in particular. And I think Sweeney/Neely felt they were getting a player who'd benefit them by making them a little "heavier" on the right wing. You know, that "heavy" crap Neely is always talking about.

so ultimately I think they envisioned a little addition by subtraction as well as finding a better fit. Obviously after year one, they seem wrong again.

Intersting. I guess then the problem is not as much as trading Smith away but more about what was acquired in return. Reminds me of the Seguin trade by the way...

So, do we have a problem with our scouting department?

 

[MtlBoxFan]

Was this interview before or after lunch?

I actually think this is the beginning of the end for Cam Neely as president.

 

[GloryDaze4877]

Intersting. I guess then the problem is not as much as trading Smith away but more about what was acquired in return. Reminds me of the Seguin trade by the way...

So, do we have a problem with our scouting department?

The amateur scouting department was overhauled the past two years, but the Pro Scouts are separate from that I believe. Not sure how long they have been there?

 

[BruinLVGA]

2013 Krejci vs. 2013 Seguin?

Or 2016 Krejci vs. 2016 Seguin?

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

I'd wager 99% of other teams would of used 2013 Krejci at C over 2013 Seguin.

Problem is 98% of other teams just would of kept both of them.

Bolded for the win, re Seguin.

 

[HockeyMomx2]

Dom, by my reading of the cap, isn't there a loss of flexibility when a team uses LTIR to exceed the cap? For example, that can mean earned bonuses get applied to the next year's cap. The B's are already dealing with a ~$1m loss of cap space this year because of bonus carryover. Now it doesn't look like anyone would be getting much this year (if any) but with Savard on the books next year, and possible bonuses earned next season, you could be dealing with a reduction of cap space in 2017-18.

Also, and this I've never been sure about, so correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe when you max out using LTIR your daily avg. cap is at the max, so you never accrued any extra space and thus have less flexibility at the deadline. While other teams even just $1m under would be garnering extra space to add a player who makes more than $1m, if you have a LTIR guy on your cap all year you are never accruing any extra space (though if you haven't replaced all of the LTIR guy's overture amount, you'd still have that to spend).

While I don't think it's a huge savings and shouldn't be a reason to deal a better player for an inferior one, I do generally agree with the idea that placing a guy on LTIR for a full season has cap implications. There is a reason teams don't automatically do it.

I think they still had Iggy bonus money on the books against the cap this year too. Pretty sure I remember seeing that the team would take hits for the 2 years after he left due to the way his contract was structured around the cap for the season he was here.

 

[Tampbear]

I will argue the smith trade was worse than the Seguin trade, which I think would have looked a lot better if Loui wasn't hurt so quickly. But loui is a top winger and was arguably better than Seguin when the trade was made, and Smith is looking like a top line defensively responsible winger who unfortunately didn't fit with the team. They filled out the team at a reasonable cost.

The Smith trade brought us a downgraded winger and cap space we arguably didn't need, and at a time when we desperately needed defense. I don't appreciate at all that our weakness last year was defense, and what we did in the offseason was get rid of our #2 defenseman without bringing anyone in. I feel this even made it look like the team was in worse condition when Chiarelli left than it actually was. I feel really good about our future with the way Sweeney filled up the cupboards, but I also feel like we took an unnecessary step backwards this year.

 

[xStanleyCupsFor]

That's losing it? Ok then.

 

[nickyb]

He hardly lost it.......just frustrated, whatever.....onto the draft and free agency!

 

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

Until you post a link to your posts from back in 2013 saying "Play Seguin at first line center, and either trade Krejci or move him to the wing!", then it most certainly IS 100% hindsight. I'll be waiting.

It wasn't the popular opinion then, and I don't know if it was this guy or not, but that was definitely NOT an outlandish idea on this forum at the time. (you can probably search back on the old Seguin threads if you are that inclined)

That said, Krejci's value certainly hasn't risen since then.

 

[jgatie]

It wasn't the popular opinion then, and I don't know if it was this guy or not, but that was definitely NOT an outlandish idea on this forum at the time. (you can probably search back on the old Seguin threads if you are that inclined)

That said, Krejci's value certainly hasn't risen since then.

I've heard people suggest moving Bergeron to wing for Spooner and not think it is outlandish. Doesn't mean anybody else agreed. And I'm sorry, moving the two time playoff points leader to wing to accommodate the guy who just **** the bed with 1 goal in 22 games is outlandish.

That aside, until this guy links to his posts; he's all hat, no cattle.

 

[Bergyesque]

The amateur scouting department was overhauled the past two years, but the Pro Scouts are separate from that I believe. Not sure how long they have been there?

That's what I meant. Thanks for clarifying that.

 

[GloryDaze4877]

That's what I meant. Thanks for clarifying that.

Here is the link to the B's scouts, and as you can see several are in their first or second year with the team:

http://bruins.nhl.com/club/m_page.htm?id=39034

The Pro scouts are Adam Creighton, Tom McVie, and Dennis Bonvie (not the poster )

Creighton and McVie are long time B's guys and Bonvie is in his first year.

 

[LSCII]

Cam Neely during that interview = Paper tiger