AUDIO - Cam Neely looses it on 98.5 as Felger and Mazz pound him with questions

[duffy]

This gets overblown to an extent around here.

Jacobs is worth $3.7 Billion. That's billion with a capital B

The Bruins in 2014-2015 had revenues of $158 Million. After expenses he was left with $26 Million. That's before taxes.

So for the playoff revenue, right off the top, 35% of revenues goes directly to revenue sharing to the bottom revenue teams. With the Bruins in the top 10 in revenue (they are fifth) that's an automatic. JJ loses that from the get go. From round two on, ALL advertising revenue goes directly to the league and not the team.

So while there is money to be made, especially for teams not in the top ten in revenue, the likes of Pittsburgh, Nashville, Minnesota, San Jose, Dallas, Anaheim, it's peanuts to JJ and his $3.7 billion

That may be true but my experience with rich people is they are greedy no matter what the gain.
Duffy in Mineville.

 

[Bergyesque]

Here is the link to the B's scouts, and as you can see several are in their first or second year with the team:

http://bruins.nhl.com/club/m_page.htm?id=39034

The Pro scouts are Adam Creighton, Tom McVie, and Dennis Bonvie (not the poster )

Creighton and McVie are long time B's guys and Bonvie is in his first year.

Thanks again!
Keith Gretzky is director of amateur scouting, but to whom these gentlemen above report?
Directly to Sweeney? Or John Ferguson? Or Scott Bradley?

Reading Bradley's bio, it's not far fetched to say he has became some kind of a fixture with the Bs, being there for the last 23 years in one capacity or another.

 

[Danton Heineken]

Thanks again!
Keith Gretzky is director of amateur scouting, but to whom these gentlemen above report?
Directly to Sweeney? Or John Ferguson? Or Scott Bradley?

Reading Bradley's bio, it's not far fetched to say he has became some kind of a fixture with the Bs, being there for the last 23 years in one capacity or another.

I may be wrong, but I think the scouts report to JFJ, who reports to Bradley and Sweeney.

Director of Player Personnel is a fancy title for Director of Scouting (Pro & Am).

 

[bb74]

Cam comes across as a fan, not a President. Gut feel is he is a "strategic advisor" in a role he isn't suited for. Hopefully I'm wrong but he doesn't sound up to the task of being an "executive" of a NHL team - great sounding board, not a member of the board if you get what I mean.

 

[BruinDust]

I may be wrong, but I think the scouts report to JFJ, who reports to Bradley and Sweeney.

Director of Player Personnel is a fancy title for Director of Scouting (Pro & Am).

Makes sense, considering some of last summers moves (bringing in Rinaldo, the Hayes trade) reek of the same garbage moves Ferguson made as GM of the Leafs.

Just because his daddy was a good hockey executive doesn't mean JFJ has any clue what he is doing. Surely doesn't seem to be much of an evaluator of talent at the pro level.

 

[Bergyesque]

Here is the link to the B's scouts, and as you can see several are in their first or second year with the team:

http://bruins.nhl.com/club/m_page.htm?id=39034

The Pro scouts are Adam Creighton, Tom McVie, and Dennis Bonvie (not the poster )

Creighton and McVie are long time B's guys and Bonvie is in his first year.

Isn't McVie the same guy that coached the Jets (if my memory serves me well ) a long time ago?

 

[DKH]

Makes sense, considering some of last summers moves (bringing in Rinaldo, the Hayes trade) reek of the same garbage moves Ferguson made as GM of the Leafs.

Just because his daddy was a good hockey executive doesn't mean JFJ has any clue what he is doing. Surely doesn't seem to be much of an evaluator of talent at the pro level.

He was outstanding for the Sharks in that role. I'm not sure who reports to who though

 

[DKH]

Cam comes across as a fan, not a President. Gut feel is he is a "strategic advisor" in a role he isn't suited for. Hopefully I'm wrong but he doesn't sound up to the task of being an "executive" of a NHL team - great sounding board, not a member of the board if you get what I mean.

Cam may be the worst President in hockey I don't know I can't name many but when he had to step up he did. That sell your team out deal by Chiarelli with Arizona would have been the end.

Maloney came in before his team to lay the groundwork and Neely killed the deal when he told Peter no first rounders

They can sign Yandle in a couple of months if they want

You see the yield Arizona got in separate deals with the Rangers and Black Hawks for the two guys rumored to be in that Boston deal

Ouch

 

[DominicT]

Dom, by my reading of the cap, isn't there a loss of flexibility when a team uses LTIR to exceed the cap? For example, that can mean earned bonuses get applied to the next year's cap. The B's are already dealing with a ~$1m loss of cap space this year because of bonus carryover. Now it doesn't look like anyone would be getting much this year (if any) but with Savard on the books next year, and possible bonuses earned next season, you could be dealing with a reduction of cap space in 2017-18.

Also, and this I've never been sure about, so correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe when you max out using LTIR your daily avg. cap is at the max, so you never accrued any extra space and thus have less flexibility at the deadline. While other teams even just $1m under would be garnering extra space to add a player who makes more than $1m, if you have a LTIR guy on your cap all year you are never accruing any extra space (though if you haven't replaced all of the LTIR guy's overture amount, you'd still have that to spend).

While I don't think it's a huge savings and shouldn't be a reason to deal a better player for an inferior one, I do generally agree with the idea that placing a guy on LTIR for a full season has cap implications. There is a reason teams don't automatically do it.

The bonus cushion gets applied to the following season in two ways. 1) you can not use LTIR space to cover bonuses. 2) You are spending to the cap. For example: If the cap is $70 million and you are spending $69.5 million and have $4 million in bonuses, $500,000 of bonuses are covered this year and $3.5 million gets carried over to the following season.

It's true that you can not bank LTIR space. But there are paper transactions to get around that. Same example as above. Call up a player to put you at the cap, LTIR the injured player, send player back down and you are banking the 500K - which is a significant amount come trade deadline.

I know Chiarelli gets all the blame for the Iginla deal and the way it was structured and the cap penalty that resulted. But, facts are facts, and the fact is Chiarelli did not screw that up, the players did.

First off, Chiarelli went for it that year and rightfully so. The problem is, he along with every GM were told the cap was going up, way up, and the NHL had assurances from Donald Fehr that the players would vote for the 5% escalator. The NHL went public with it, Fehr went public with it. That 5% alone would have more than covered Iginla's bonuses. No bonus charge carried over = no Boychuk trade.

So what happened? Despite Fehr urging the players to vote for the escalator, their fear of loosing money to escrow caused them to stab Fehr in the back and vote against his very insistence on voting for it.

What happened? Fehr was right all along and the players got their escrow back anyway. The players voted incorrectly and it cost them $$$.

That is not Chiarelli's fault. 30 GM's, Bettman, the NHL and Donald Fehr were all more than confident the players would vote with Fehr.

That's on the players.

 

[SanDogBrewin]

That's losing it? Ok then.

That's what I siad after listening to the audio.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

That may be true but my experience with rich people is they are greedy no matter what the gain.
Duffy in Mineville.

Got a lot of experience with billionaires?

 

[member 96824]

Got a lot of experience with billionaires?

I actually do with a few, and many multi-millionaires.

He's not wrong. The higher up you go, the more frugality you find.

I've been on the phone fighting over 1 basis point before on a loan. 1/100th of 1%. I wish that was a fake story

"The Millionaire Next Door" is a great book on the frugality of the wealthy. I don't know if "greedy" is the right word though, given the negative connotation it holds.

 

[zaYG]

The bonus cushion gets applied to the following season in two ways. 1) you can not use LTIR space to cover bonuses. 2) You are spending to the cap. For example: If the cap is $70 million and you are spending $69.5 million and have $4 million in bonuses, $500,000 of bonuses are covered this year and $3.5 million gets carried over to the following season.

It's true that you can not bank LTIR space. But there are paper transactions to get around that. Same example as above. Call up a player to put you at the cap, LTIR the injured player, send player back down and you are banking the 500K - which is a significant amount come trade deadline.

I know Chiarelli gets all the blame for the Iginla deal and the way it was structured and the cap penalty that resulted. But, facts are facts, and the fact is Chiarelli did not screw that up, the players did.

First off, Chiarelli went for it that year and rightfully so. The problem is, he along with every GM were told the cap was going up, way up, and the NHL had assurances from Donald Fehr that the players would vote for the 5% escalator. The NHL went public with it, Fehr went public with it. That 5% alone would have more than covered Iginla's bonuses. No bonus charge carried over = no Boychuk trade.

So what happened? Despite Fehr urging the players to vote for the escalator, their fear of loosing money to escrow caused them to stab Fehr in the back and vote against his very insistence on voting for it.

What happened? Fehr was right all along and the players got their escrow back anyway. The players voted incorrectly and it cost them $$$.

That is not Chiarelli's fault. 30 GM's, Bettman, the NHL and Donald Fehr were all more than confident the players would vote with Fehr.

That's on the players.

Interesting. I never knew this.

Thanks for posting Dom. You make this place worth visiting.

 

[Bruwinz37]

I actually do with a few, and many multi-millionaires.

He's not wrong. The higher up you go, the more frugality you find.

I've been on the phone fighting over 1 basis point before on a loan. 1/100th of 1%. I wish that was a fake story

"The Millionaire Next Door" is a great book on the frugality of the wealthy. I don't know if "greedy" is the right word though, given the negative connotation it holds.

You run businesses like a business. People don't get to be billionaires on accident.

This really has nothing to do with spending or being cheap. That argument is going on 20 years old.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

I actually do with a few, and many multi-millionaires.

He's not wrong. The higher up you go, the more frugality you find.

I've been on the phone fighting over 1 basis point before on a loan. 1/100th of 1%. I wish that was a fake story

"The Millionaire Next Door" is a great book on the frugality of the wealthy. I don't know if "greedy" is the right word though, given the negative connotation it holds.

No interest in millionaires. Chump change.

Jacobs has $3.7 billion. Many billionaires give away most of their fortunes. See Warren Buffet & Bill Gates.

 

[DominicT]

No interest in millionaires. Chump change.

Jacobs has $37 billion. Many billionaires give away most of their fortunes. See Warren Buffet & Bill Gates.

JJ has made a pretty penny from the Bruins.

He bought the team for $10 million and 40 years later is worth $489 million

He built TD Garden for $160 million in 1995 and today is worth $261 million

So a $170 million investment is now worth $750 million.

That is worth far more to him.

(all numbers from Forbes in 2015)

 

[mmonty]

Holy smokes he just made 33.5 billion in like 10 posts. Obviously greedy.

 

[Bergyesque]

You run businesses like a business. People don't get to be billionaires on accident.

This really has nothing to do with spending or being cheap. That argument is going on 20 years old.

I don't think the Jacobs are cheap or don't want to spend. I mean the Bs have been standing near the cap since it exists.

But wanting to pocket those playoffs monies, however small they may be, I wouldn't put that past them, even if it means sacrificing some benefits for the future.
That is not crime, but it might be frustrating for fans who would like to see their beloved team managed with a bigger eye towards the future.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Holy smokes he just made 33.5 billion in like 10 posts. Obviously greedy.

Does decimal points can be devastating.

 

[Spooner st]

Holy smokes he just made 33.5 billion in like 10 posts. Obviously greedy.

And just like that you made him .2 billion.

 

[bb74]

Cam may be the worst President in hockey I don't know I can't name many but when he had to step up he did. That sell your team out deal by Chiarelli with Arizona would have been the end.

Maloney came in before his team to lay the groundwork and Neely killed the deal when he told Peter no first rounders

They can sign Yandle in a couple of months if they want

You see the yield Arizona got in separate deals with the Rangers and Black Hawks for the two guys rumored to be in that Boston deal

Ouch

I don't doubt he has acumen, just don't see / hear the depth of a "CEO" role a president would need to have. I'm very glad to hear he axed some bad deals and knew better than to pull the trigger on those. Just that is seems like he's over his head (my personal opinion on wht I have heard on the newswires and PR sessions - no problem at all being wrong and would prefer that if anything.)

As for Yandle, I don't want this guy anywhere near the B's.... a N° 5 PP specialist capable of playing D (stick not body) that get a free pass from many due to "size" but certainly not a top 4 guy on a cup level team IMO.

 

[mmonty]

And just like that you made him .2 billion.

No interest in millions. Chump change. I want billions! And Cups! Now!

 

[member 96824]

You run businesses like a business. People don't get to be billionaires on accident.

This really has nothing to do with spending or being cheap. That argument is going on 20 years old.

Yup. Absolutely.

No interest in millionaires. Chump change.

Jacobs has $3.7 billion. Many billionaires give away most of their fortunes. See Warren Buffet & Bill Gates.

Billionaires too, but not nearly as many for a number of reasons. Doesn't change that in my experience, the frugality climbs the higher you go up the ladder. Like Bruwinz said, people don't end up billionaires on accident.

There are plenty of reasons why billionaires give away most of their fortunes(and why they do it in the specific way they do it) but that's a lengthy convo for another time and place and not really relevant to this conversation.

Needless to say, as much as I respect my boy Dom, I disagree with him on this one..but where I find fault in a lot of the "playoff gate" stuff is the idea that it's bad for a business owner to want more revenue for the business.....that's kind of the goal. The NHL is a group of 30 corporations under the umbrella of one bigger one. As much as we like to be in touch with our inner 10 year old and think it's for the love of the game, that's not the case...but if the Bruins want playoff revenue, shouldn't we, by nature as fans, want that too? We're all just arguing how to get that playoff revenue in the most efficient way

 

[BigGoalBrad]

Yup. Absolutely.



Billionaires too, but not nearly as many for a number of reasons. Doesn't change that in my experience, the frugality climbs the higher you go up the ladder. Like Bruwinz said, people don't end up billionaires on accident.

There are plenty of reasons why billionaires give away most of their fortunes(and why they do it in the specific way they do it) but that's a lengthy convo for another time and place and not really relevant to this conversation.

Needless to say, as much as I respect my boy Dom, I disagree with him on this one..but where I find fault in a lot of the "playoff gate" stuff is the idea that it's bad for a business owner to want more revenue for the business.....that's kind of the goal. The NHL is a group of 30 corporations under the umbrella of one bigger one. As much as we like to be in touch with our inner 10 year old and think it's for the love of the game, that's not the case...but if the Bruins want playoff revenue, shouldn't we, by nature as fans, want that too? We're all just arguing how to get that playoff revenue in the most efficient way

Forget about money and draft positioning everyone should want their team to try and make the playoffs teams who are hoping to get a top 5 pick because they suck often spend years in the toilet. You have to try to be worse than Edmonton or Toronto.

First-worst-first is very rare it happens once every decade or two that a team can snag a franchise player via lottery pick right after being a contender by losing. You can't really replicate what happened to the Pens and even they f-ed up and picked Fleury how many teams in Basketball have done what San Antonio did in the 90s when they got Duncan??? Just doesn't happen fans need to stop demanding these high picks this wasn't that horrible a season we spent most of it in a top playoff spot its better than being out of it the entire year. Season just ended ugly and we've lost a few trades recently so the management is feeling the heat.

 

[neelynugs]

Cam may be the worst President in hockey I don't know I can't name many but when he had to step up he did. That sell your team out deal by Chiarelli with Arizona would have been the end.

Maloney came in before his team to lay the groundwork and Neely killed the deal when he told Peter no first rounders

They can sign Yandle in a couple of months if they want

You see the yield Arizona got in separate deals with the Rangers and Black Hawks for the two guys rumored to be in that Boston deal

Ouch

speaking of arizona, heard the other day that the 'yotes were offering chicago's 1st, a 2nd and anthony duclair for hamilton at one point. of course if maloney wasn't so bent on getting dylan strome to match up with the big western centers (too bad he didn't know he was gonna be canned!), hanifin is probably wearing the spoked B (and also could've happened if francis didn't bone them on that other deal).