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Speculation: Atlantic Division Predictions

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Dekes For Days said:
Yes, no reason, because "brand new" and "more familiar" are completely meaningless descriptors that have no impact on record. Keefe was even more familiar this season, and improved to a 113 point pace. What you're doing is separating "relatively average health and goaltending" and "completely decimated by injury, starting goalie imploded", and misrepresenting it as a result of something else, based on nothing.
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Always an excuse.

Still waiting for your predictions on the upcoming season in the Atlantic.
 
ToneDog said:
I'm talking about a healthy Andy which he should be to start the season. The Canes paid him more than what Mrazek signed for here. Tells me they agree Andy is the better goalie. Won't take long to find out which Andy they are getting.
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Thing is with Andy, I suspect his issues the past couple seasons go beyond his groin injuries. He seemed to also lack mental focus (ie some of those soft goals).

But agreed, we will find out sooner rather than later which team made the smarter bet.
 
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Menzinger said:
Thing is with Andy, I suspect his issues the past couple seasons go beyond his groin injuries. He seemed to also lack mental focus (ie some of those soft goals).

But agreed, we will find out sooner rather than later which team made the smarter bet.
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Agreed. Caught a bit of his long interview on the Fan 590 before noon. Says he played injured (knee) when Soup was down. Team knew about it. Sounds like Leafs did not make a pitch for him.
 
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egd27 said:
Sure.....let's go with that as it it completely ignores the point that was being made about the 3 parts of the 2019-20 season and how once they got "comfortable" with Keefe, they went right back to .5oo(ish) hockey.

What's your prediction as to how they will finish in the Atlantic this season as I don't seem to see it here in the prediction thread.
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You'll never get his prediction written down.
 
Dekes For Days said:
For the record, you're the one who created an unjustified excuse to start separating portions of the season in arbitrary ways, when you didn't like Keefe's entire record being used.
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Not arbitrary at all......70 game season........23 games for Babs (.500ish) , the first 24 games for Keefe (.700ish), the final 23 games for Keefe (.500ish)

One of those things is not like the others.

Gonna make your predictions any time soon, or just keep pretending you don't understand why 23 game segments were used?
 
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egd27 said:
Not arbitrary at all......70 game season........23 games for Babs (.500ish) , the first 24 games for Keefe (.700ish), the final 23 games for Keefe (.500ish)

One of those things is not like the others.

Gonna make your predictions any time soon, or just keep pretending you don't understand why 23 game segments were used?
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1st 23gms: 78pts pace (babs)
2nd 23gms: 114pts pace
3rd 24gms: 96pts pace
4th 28gms: 117pts pace
5th 28gms: 108pts pace

Which segment is the one you keep saying is similar to Babcock's?
 
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Dekes For Days said:
Separating portions of the season based on how "familiar" a coach is is incredibly arbitrary. It has nothing to do with record.

You must really value my opinion highly to be this invested in my predictions.
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Really think about it Dekes.....why would I use 23 game sample sizes.....you can do it, I know you can.

I do value your opinion, and I'd like to see how you utilize all of the information you compile and understand so well to make a prediction.
 
zeke said:
1st 23gms: 78pts pace (babs)
2nd 23gms: 114pts pace
3rd 24gms: 96pts pace
4th 28gms: 117pts pace
5th 28gms: 108pts pace

Which segment is the one you keep saying is similar to Babcock's?
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That would be the 2 in Red (without the "pace" skew)

9-10-4

11-9-3


The 4th and 5th were under completely different conditions.
 
egd27 said:
That would be the 2 in Red (without the "pace" skew)

9-10-4

11-9-3


The 4th and 5th were under completely different conditions.
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Heh. The actual numbers are "skew". But you pretending a 78pt pace is the same as a 96pt pace is truth. Amazing.

Btw why did you choose 24 for the middle section and 23 for the 3rd section? Why not 23 for the middle section and 24 for the 3rd section?
 
GoLeafsGo96 said:
Why should we cut that season into three parts and talk about how they finished but then ignore this past season where they were a top level regular season team? I really don't buy that the North is as mediocore as some would say.

West had LA, SJ, ANA, ARIZ

Central had CHI, DET, CBJ

East had NJ, BUF

You can make the argument the North isn't the strongest division - but I don't think they were the weakest either. The Central and West divisions were both pretty bad
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Seeing as it's a thread on the Atlantic division, I think losing 15 of your last 17 regular season games that took place outside of the North division is more relevant than beating up on the same Canadian teams all year long. Its easier to scout and prepare if you're only dealing with one division as well. That alone makes the North division weaker compared to moving back to the Atlantic.

I'm personally not concerned. I think regular season will be a walk in the park for us. I also have no interest refuting those who are concerned because I watched that garbage Atlantic hockey we played with my own eyes.

Edit- that should say 27 not 17
 
egd27 said:
Really think about it Dekes.....why would I use 23 game sample sizes....
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There was no real reason in this discussion to separate Keefe's record that season into different portions. Seemingly, it was done to focus exclusively on the less representative portion, and incorrectly attribute impacts from injuries and imploding goaltending to so-called "coach familiarity".
I do value your opinion, and I'd like to see how you utilize all of the information you compile and understand so well to make a prediction.
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Well, since you asked nicely, I'd probably go:

1. Tampa
2. Toronto
3. Florida
4. Boston
5. Montreal
6. Ottawa
7. Detroit
8. Buffalo
 
Golden_Jet said:
Ya odd request in the Atlantic division standings thread.
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The concept of how a thread works, determining the topic and then figuring out what is required of the poster who chooses to reply can be a difficult one.
 
leafs finish first or second ... will come down to goaltending .. if both our guys can put up between .915 and .918 sv% its pretty much a lock to finish top 2.

i can see tampa taking a big dip this year, they played LOTS of hockey over the past 3 years, alot of their guys are going to be playing ALOT during the olympics and frankly they will be experimenting and trying to find secondary scoring losing most of their middle 6 players.
 
ACC1224 said:
What player or agent isn't?
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ACC1224 said:
The concept of how a thread works, determining the topic and then figuring out what is required of the poster who chooses to reply can be a difficult one.
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Weirdly, this thread doesn't seem to be about how players or agents view Dubas but that didn't stop you from going off topic
 
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