As many as Kyle. I don't think either are the right choice. They have as many as you and me do.
Athletic: Dubas Job on the Line this Season (contract expiring after this season)
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zeke
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Literally every page in every thread is people trashing Dubas.
ToneDog
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Very possible. I had heard that it was decided Shanny, Dubas and Keefe were safe before the start of the playoffs. Perhaps they announce it early into the season if they get off to a good start.
Osmows OReilly
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I guess it depends what you consider to be trashing. If we’re talking people purely shitting on him and clowning him for no reason I’d understand, but I only see constructive criticism.
But it's not haterd, it's the fact that right now he's failing based on his playoff results there is a difference between hate and trashing someone because they are failing.
Kyle Dubas gets trashed because Kyle Dubas is failing
The only people that seems to mention glasses, age and cardigans are his supporters. It's weird.
People that supposedly hate him for being him, never actually say anything about him as a person, only his work as a GM.
zeke
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Yes, it's Dubas Dubas Dubas on every page of every thread.
And it's definitely not pro-Dubas.
Finally you guys are seeing who the actual Dubas Cult is.
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If Kyle Dubas had won even a single playoff series he wouldn't get the "hate" he gets
Hr doesn't get hate he gets criticism because he hasn't won even a single playoff series.
Until that changes he will continue to get criticism and rightly so.
You get confuse hate with criticism.
Remember that cult of Kyle Dubas I talked about? You are in it, you damn started it and so you perceive any criticism as hate.
The reality is it's just criticism based on his playoff results.
zeke
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His playoff results don't suck just the outcomes do is probably the most hilarious spin I've ever heard.
He has successfully convinced a number of fans that the process is in fact more important than the result. For that, I give him tremendous credit. It's not easy to fully convince people that everything they've known for years, is incorrect.
Getting to game 7 is more important then winning it apparently
PromisedLand
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Bozak's success had more to do with the team IMO; Blues would have won the cup with or without Bozak
Kadri on the other hand is a different beast. He carried Avs when Mack/Landy/Rantanen got injured. He also stepped up in playoffs when Mack/Ranta were quiet in the games they needed goals.
As for Dubas....
Nobody is hating on Dubas as a person, its what he has done to the team that is despised by "Leafs" fans. If Dubas' teams were not getting embarrassed in the playoffs because of lack of quality depth due to cap allocation and not enough cap left for it; finding fillers and playing magic 8 ball bingo to find goalies/depth pieces on the cheap; and just hope for the best.....
nobody would be calling for Dubas' head. Who would be saying "Fire Dubas" if Leafs were competitive in the playoffs, had a few runs, and were not looking at Matthews/Willy being UFAs in a year or two.
Its called squandering the best chance this team has had in decades and that is why "Leafs" fans are ticked off!
To be fair, everyone knows this. Some just won't openly accept it.
And as long as he's GM it will continue until he wins a playoff series, he might even be at the point where he needs a conference final to get an extension I'm not convinced 1 round saves his job at this point
PromisedLand
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All under Dubas' tutelage
- Losing to a zamboni driver
- Montreal colours on CN Tower
- Pretty empty cupboard (thrown away assets/picks)
- Not enough cap left for quality depth
- Respect in the handshake more important
- The season ending presser last season
- Trading Marleau with a 1st and then not even making playoffs losing to CBJ in the play-ins
- blaming goalie (Andersen) when he had if am not mistaken about .94 or something save percentage
- no cap for quality depth, no secondary scoring with all the high AAV guys stopped by tight checking
- Contracts and duration for Matthews, Marner
- No 1 goalie?
- More importantly!!!! No playoff results to show for
- Protecting freakin' Holl during expansion LOL
- not being able to go on to 2nd round
- etc....
I could go on and on about the things that he has done to the team.
I've seen arguments that say well it took washington and Ovi forever to win the cup; well if that is the case then what does Dubas has to do with it? It could be a new GM with a new vision for the team and how this team plays and then let the chips fall where they may. Why does it have to be with Dubas? It seems there more Dubas love here than Leafs Love for some posters and that just doesn't sit well with me
They haven't traded a single prospect in nearly 3 years, the cupboard is not empty.
The Marleau trade happened because Lou signed that deal, that's not on Dubas.
The cap space wouldn't be an issue without a once in a lifetime world stopping event that's not on Dubas.
The rest is valid.
The fact you see it as hate shows me you're emotionally invested in Kyle Dubas, and probably aren't capable of seeing things rationally.
I can’t speak for anyone else but myself. I don’t hate Dubas. He’s very likeable, but the fact of the matter is he has not gotten the job done. He’s built a great team that hasn’t had success. 0/5 for advancing past the first round under Dubas. That warrants some criticism. Do some people take it overboard yes, but we want results.
What are these quotation marks around series wins? Do you not have to win series to win the cup? Are series wins not a valid indicator of the teams progress towards winning the cup?
Amazing how these folks try and gaslight people into believing playoff success is not important when judging a team's success.
ACC1224
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Bolded is not true.
The deal is on Lou, the trade on Dubas.
SprDaVE
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Yeah... they had chances elsewhere and eventually found post season success. Those players were called losers and unable to be part of a winning team for various reasons. If Dubas moves on to another team, it very likely will be the same thing. That's all I'm saying.
I never even mentioned that he's hated as a person ... so that seems like some weird projections. For your sake, I hope the Leafs do move on from Dubas and get someone else so that we can find post-season success. Dubas is quite clearly the problem.
I look forward to seeing who should be hired in his place as the ultimate GM so that the team can finally find post season success.
IMO there are really two things I will always hold Dubas to the fire for.
1. The Kadri trade - which was rushed. I Understand the organizational desire to move him. However if they had waiting till camp I’m sure they could have gotten a better deal.
2. Protecting Holl and not trading additional assets to protect McCann and/Or Kerfoot instead. - This was just a bad decision all around. McCann would have been a perfect fit and Liljegren ended up passing Holl on the depth chart anyways.
1. The Kadri trade - which was rushed. I Understand the organizational desire to move him. However if they had waiting till camp I’m sure they could have gotten a better deal.
2. Protecting Holl and not trading additional assets to protect McCann and/Or Kerfoot instead. - This was just a bad decision all around. McCann would have been a perfect fit and Liljegren ended up passing Holl on the depth chart anyways.
Enga Olly
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That's as about an unhinged post as I've ever seen.
How long have you been a Leaf fan or watching NHL hockey? Because from that post it seems you started Leaf watching in 2017. Well go back a bit further and check out these Leaf GM's...
- Dave Nonis
- Brian Burke
- John Ferguson Jr
- Floyd Smith
- Gord Stellick
- Gerry McNamara
- Punch Imlach
put in context, and based on results (since you are sooo results oriented, Mr. Intelligent Hockey Fan) Kyle Dubas comes out looking not too bad. Or remain ignorant and continue sounding like a madman - your choice
But the trade doesn't happen without Lou signing that contract.
Lou put Kyle in that situation it's the same reason I don't blame Dubas for the Zaitsev trade because he didn't give Zaitsev 7 years Lou did.
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