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This seems to insinuate that he is not a playmaker and it was a role reversal for Hull.



Sherbrooke daily record, 17 avril 1968, mercredi 17 avril 1968

Patrimoine québécois
Sherbrooke, Que. : [Eastern Township Publishing], [1897]-1969
2014sometimes it\u2019s better to beucky than good.\u201d The Hawks were bothucky and good Tuesday night as Bobby Hull, the perennial goalscoring leader of the Black Hawks, turned playmaker towed Chicago to its victory. He set up goals by xxx (the winner) and xxx."


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But here he is called a "clever playmaker" early in his career.
Sherbrooke daily record, 09 novembre 1957, samedi 9 novembre 1957

Patrimoine québécois
Sherbrooke, Que. : [Eastern Township Publishing], [1897]-1969
- CHICAGO HAS YOUNGEST PLAYER IN LEAGUE Bobby Hull, sensational blond center of the Chicago Black Hawks, is the youngest player in the National Hockey League.The clever playmaker is only 18 years old.
 
With our back-to-back picks the Vancouver Millionaires are thrilled to make some value picks after our list got destroyed and complete our top 4 on defence with two men who will let Orr & Taylor play their best.

Eddie Gerard, D/LW to pair with Bobby Orr and (ironically) captain the Vancouver Millionaires

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Valeri Vasiliev, D to pair with Cyclone Taylor.

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TheDevilMadeMe said:
Didn't he also play the point on the PP a lot? That would increase his assists vs goals ratio. (This came up s few years back with Andy Bathgate, who was more of a goal scorer at even strength than his overall stats would have him appear - that's because he got tons of assists playing the point on the PP).
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He did, although his powerplay assist numbers aren't actually all that wild.

For his NHL career, Hull finished with 373 ES assists and 166 PP assists...a ratio of 2.25 ES assists for every powerplay assist. For a player of his ilk, this is actually tilted somewhat in favor of even-strength performance. Guy Lafleur's career ratio, for comparison, is 2.04 ES assists for every powerplay assist. Gordie Howe's is 1.88.
 
ResilientBeast said:
With our back-to-back picks the Vancouver Millionaires are thrilled to make some value picks after our list got destroyed and complete our top 4 on defence with two men who will let Orr & Taylor play their best.

Eddie Gerard, D/LW to pair with Bobby Orr and (ironically) captain the Vancouver Millionaires

220px-Eddie_Gerard_19131914.jpg


Valeri Vasiliev, D to pair with Cyclone Taylor.

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That's a crazy good top 4.
 
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ResilientBeast said:
With our back-to-back picks the Vancouver Millionaires are thrilled to make some value picks after our list got destroyed and complete our top 4 on defence with two men who will let Orr & Taylor play their best.

Eddie Gerard, D/LW to pair with Bobby Orr and (ironically) captain the Vancouver Millionaires

220px-Eddie_Gerard_19131914.jpg


Valeri Vasiliev, D to pair with Cyclone Taylor.

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Gerard's stock feels like it's risen a lot since I started.

And 4D? Interesting...
 
TheDevilMadeMe said:
Love the pick (almost picked him over Abel), but wasn't he criticized for NOT using his size?
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I may have a different view of "power forward" than most. I think it's a player who can create offense by using all of speed, strength, and skill. Mahovlich wasn't an aggressive player, so he may not be what other call a power forward. He was big and powerful, and used that to overpower defensemen on the way to the net.

Like a lot of other players, he had to fight early in career. Once he gained a reputation as a pretty good pugilist, he was left alone, and he rarely went in search of it.

Jim Coleman said:
Teams learned to leave him alone. They learned that if you ever bothered to stir the big man out of his lethargy, he'd come flying down the ice and know you right out of the park.
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ResilientBeast said:
With our back-to-back picks the Vancouver Millionaires are thrilled to make some value picks after our list got destroyed and complete our top 4 on defence with two men who will let Orr & Taylor play their best.

Eddie Gerard, D/LW to pair with Bobby Orr and (ironically) captain the Vancouver Millionaires

220px-Eddie_Gerard_19131914.jpg


Valeri Vasiliev, D to pair with Cyclone Taylor.

valeri-vasiliev-of-the-soviet-union-national-hockey-team-skates-the-picture-id1282247291
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Nice picks, but weren't they all RDs? The Cleghorn-Gerard and XXXXX-Gerard pairing was with Gerard at RD from the little data I have. Did he play LD at some point? Maybe, unclear. I'd love to see a proof of that. Best bet is to go check when Gerard was a super-sub behind Cleghorn and YYYYY and hopefully find passages when he replaces Cleghorn specifically.

Vasiliev was strictly a RD according to this thread: Some soviet defensemen, Left or Right?
 
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ResilientBeast said:
With our back-to-back picks the Vancouver Millionaires are thrilled to make some value picks after our list got destroyed and complete our top 4 on defence with two men who will let Orr & Taylor play their best.

Eddie Gerard, D/LW to pair with Bobby Orr and (ironically) captain the Vancouver Millionaires

220px-Eddie_Gerard_19131914.jpg


Valeri Vasiliev, D to pair with Cyclone Taylor.

valeri-vasiliev-of-the-soviet-union-national-hockey-team-skates-the-picture-id1282247291
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Vasiliev certainly went in a more appropriate spot this year. I still can't believe I got him at 96 last year.
 
zffssk said:
Nice picks, but weren't they all RDs? The Cleghorn-Gerard and XXXXX-Gerard pairing was with Gerard at RD from the little data I have. Did he play LD at some point? Maybe, unclear. I'd love to see a proof of that. Best bet is to go check when Gerard was a super-sub behind Cleghorn and YYYYY and hopefully find passages when he replaces Cleghorn specifically.

Vasiliev was strictly a RD according to this thread: Some soviet defensemen, Left or Right?
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Well that would a hilarious oversight I just assumed since he was a LHS and played LW that he was a LD lol

Well he's playing LD with another LHS in Bobby Orr so they can figure it out amongst themselves

I knew Vasiliev was LHS that played RD.
 
ResilientBeast said:
Well that would a hilarious oversight I just assumed since he was a LHS and played LW that he was a LD lol

Well he's playing LD with another LHS in Bobby Orr so they can figure it out amongst themselves

I knew Vasiliev was LHS that played RD.
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Check the newspapers in the very short window I talked about, when Ottawa traded for an undrafted offensive defenseman just before the dynasty. That's the window when Gerard was "super-sub". Perhaps you could find instances of him playing LD there.
 
ResilientBeast said:
Well that would a hilarious oversight I just assumed since he was a LHS and played LW that he was a LD lol

Well he's playing LD with another LHS in Bobby Orr so they can figure it out amongst themselves

I knew Vasiliev was LHS that played RD.
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Didn't Gerard play in the era of point/cover-point rather than LD and RD. When did that change?
 
zffssk said:
Check the newspapers in the very short window I talked about, when Ottawa traded for an undrafted offensive defenseman just before the dynasty. That's the window when Gerard was "super-sub". Perhaps you could find instances of him playing LD there.
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I don't really have an issue with having either Gerard or Vasiliev play on their "natural" sides it's not quite the same thing as LW vs RW anyway
 
Soviet transition. I was wrong about the center setting the pick, it's the 2nd Dman.

  • Center Inverts: Instead of being in the middle of the action and pushing north toward the MTL zone, Center takes control of the puck as the last man back
  • Wingers Invert: Rather post up at the far blue line, LW Kharmalov and RW Boris Mikhailov move to their off-wings, then swing back to build speed
  • Defensemen Invert: Abandoning their positions behind the puck carrier, Vasiliev stays wide to be an outlet and #2D pushes up, acting as an east-west moving pick in the middle of the neutral zone
No one is doing what a typical player of their position is meant to do - in fact they are doing the exact opposite.
 
Dreakmur said:
Didn't Gerard play in the era of point/cover-point rather than LD and RD. When did that change?
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When newspapers started using the "D" notation, the only instances when they mentioned sides was him at "RD". But you're right, perhaps that's overkill. He did play in the P/CP era, and sometimes newspapers interchanged both notations, until only "D" was used sometime during the dynasty.
 
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