ATD 2021 Draft Thread III

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Haha, yeah, I'm fairly certain I'll be about the last person adding my bottom pairing.

Having Stevens-Orr, Lappy-Seibert essentially renders the bottom pairing obsolete, especially on the right side where there is probably only 5-6 minutes left. I'll be able to shelter those #5/6, thus expanding options later in the draft.
Indeed. Seibert played 55 minutes in the Stanley Cup-clinching game his Blackhawks coach identifying him as the reason they won. With Orr and Stevens? The 6th dman will likely just bring a special teams skill (e.g., shotblocking).

Just like drafting Hall in net makes a backup goalie the lowest priority.
 
Haha, yeah, I'm fairly certain I'll be about the last person adding my bottom pairing.

Having Stevens-Orr, Lappy-Seibert essentially renders the bottom pairing obsolete, especially on the right side where there is probably only 5-6 minutes left. I'll be able to shelter those #5/6, thus expanding options later in the draft.

Yeah, you're not going to be hurting. You've got two legit 30 minute per night pairs. I'm interested in seeing how the various strategies play out, and that's something I'll be watching closely with this being my first draft. You stocked up on a certain area to be as strong as possible. I've tried to build fairly evenly. Some have gone for powerful offenses. I want to see what works, what doesn't, and why.
 
Indeed. Seibert played 55 minutes in the Stanley Cup-clinching game his Blackhawks coach identifying him as the reason they won. With Orr and Stevens? The 6th dman will likely just bring a special teams skill (e.g., shotblocking).

Just like drafting Hall in net makes a backup goalie the lowest priority.

Yeah, I think between Orr and Seibert you can comfortably pencil in 55 minutes between them (30/25). Obviously there are variables, but that was one of the positives I identified with the 3D start and then taking the plunge early to complete the top 4. The left side will play a bit more certainly but still less so than a typical bottom pairing player.

Yeah, you're not going to be hurting. You've got two legit 30 minute per night pairs. I'm interested in seeing how the various strategies play out, and that's something I'll be watching closely with this being my first draft. You stocked up on a certain area to be as strong as possible. I've tried to build fairly evenly. Some have gone for powerful offenses. I want to see what works, what doesn't, and why.

I wanted to shake things up and put an added challenge on myself. Going 3D is obviously not the standard way of starting a roster, especially when you land Orr, however I really wanted to see if I could pull of a team capable of makings waves having invested so much on the blue line early. Certainly remains to be seen, but the entire process this year has been smooth and a pleasure to be a part of and admin. Given how the past year has gone for essentially the entire world, our good fortune to still have our health, and the ability to do fun stuff like this is not lost on me. It could be much, much worse.

I've spoken openly and privately about my gratitude for this place. It's the best community on this forum, without question. I tell people about the draft and projects we do, data and research on players, coaches, and just the game itself.

People have asked what my go to category would be for Jeopardy and in recent years, I instantly say hockey. And that's coming from a guy who grew up in an area that didn't have hockey, in any manner. You had to drive 45 minutes just to get to the nearest rink. There weren't any real organized leagues. Certainly nothing in school. That's certainly not the case 2/3 decades later.

Most of what I know about the game, came from time spent on this forum and driven me to do beyond additional research beyond this place.

Edit: auto correct/generate is an abomination haha.
 
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Going to start my bottom 6 and select RW Jimmy Ward.

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I've spoken openly and privately about my gratitude for this place.

Yeah, I even made a thread for that once because I wanted everyone to know my feelings on that. I'm sure there have been quite a few occasions where people have wondered, "Who is this weirdo?" but nobody has ever said it or made me feel that way. To the contrary, they've been very welcoming and made me feel a part of it. Then, as you say, getting to learn so much about something I love so much... that's just awesome.
 
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Going with defenseman art Duncan.

Love the pick. Duncan at his peak was a very dominant defenseman, that's the impression he left me reading some playoff games indirectly during my Ottawa research. Not so familair with the in's and out's of his total career though.
 
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The Jackals select Alex Mogilny, the 1998 world juniors best forward all star, 1988 Olympic champion, 1989 world juniors champion, 1989 world championship champ, a 1996 World Cup top scorer for Russia, by then a two-time NHL 2nd team all-star right winger, later a 2000 Stanley Cup champion, 2003 Lady Byng winner.


"Alex was faster than all of us, Bure and Fedorov, and Alex was a machine,” Fedorov explained. “He was built like a machine. Plus on top of all the crazy skill he had, he’s better than all of us. He’s amazing. If you went back and forth five times, Mogilny will be first. I will be third.”
 
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The Jackals select Alex Mogilny, the 1998 world juniors best forward all star, 1988 Olympic champion, 1989 world juniors champion, 1989 world championship champ, a 1996 World Cup top scorer for Russia, by then a two-time NHL 2nd team all-star right winger, later a 2000 Stanley Cup champion, 2003 Lady Byng winner.



Surprising how he falls so low every year.
 
Intangibles?

He outskates, outstickhandles and can pass as well as most wingers ever. And he hustles.

Yeah, injuries makes him ideally a part-time top-6 in an all-time context.
 
Intangibles?

He outskates, outstickhandles and can pass as well as most wingers ever. And he hustles.

Yeah, injuries makes him ideally a part-time top-6 in an all-time context.

You know what I meant. Intangibles as in usual attributes of bottom-6ers (defense, physicality, faceoffs and leadership). I know you have this in your Top 6, so it's OK, I was speaking in general.
 
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By 'intangibles' was meant not captured by statistics.

Speed and stickhandling are hard to quantify in numbers but easy to see with your eyes!
 
Mogilny had 1032 points in 990 NHL games and half of his career was in the dead-puck era.

I was just surprised that an elite player like him always goes in the 300s!
 
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Mogilny had 1032 points in 990 NHL games and half of his career was in the dead-puck era.

I was just surprised that an elite player like him always goes in the 300s!

Even in point-per-game VsX best 5 years, which should be his most charitable metric, his number isn't elite, though it's good.

Elite skills though.
 
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I dunno his relative PPG or vs.x (stats I rarely access - but i will now check out), yet nabby's comment gets me wondering...

I remember him as an incredible talent. I'd take a healthy Mogilny over Ovechkin every day of the week!
 
I dunno his relative PPG or vs.x (stats I rarely access - but i will now check out), but nabby's comment gets me wondering...

I remember him as an incredible talent. I'd take a healthy Mogilny over Ovechkin every day of the week!

Can see the chart for best 5, 7 and 10 years PPGVsX if you scroll down here: Reference - VsX comprehensive summary (1927 to 2020)

Regardless, I see your point. I felt the same about a certain Montreal Canadiens player in the late-2000s, who is always crapped on for his inconsistency, but who was an amazing player in my eyes.
 
I think if you got Mogilny on top of his game and healthy, you got something truly special. Seventy-six goals in 77 games was an incredible feat. Fifty-five goals three years later was great, even if there were some big numbers. Forty-three goals during the DPE was a great total. Outside of that, he kind of leaves me with, yeah, he was a good player, but not much more. Still, not a bad pick thanks to his peak.
 
I think if you got Mogilny on top of his game and healthy, you got something truly special. Seventy-six goals in 77 games was an incredible feat. Fifty-five goals three years later was great, even if there were some big numbers. Forty-three goals during the DPE was a great total. Outside of that, he kind of leaves me with, yeah, he was a good player, but not much more. Still, not a bad pick thanks to his peak.

That was in 1993 though, mother of all offensive seasons.
 
I see Mogilny is ranked 18th among RWers in 10-year vs.x, which - in a 24-team league - puts him ATD 1st line capable.

Does vs.x take into account PPG or just season totals? *shrug* @Hockey Outsider

If the latter, then Mogilny should be ranked even higher in terms of ability!
 
That was in 1993 though, mother of all offensive seasons.

Sure, it was a high-scoring year, but the rate that year was lower than every season from 1980-81 to 1989-90, and he was practically a goal per game player. That's Gretzky, Lemieux, and Hull at their best territory for goals per game.
 
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