kevsh
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How many threads are you going to start trying to convince Leaf Nation that this team is better than last year's team? This is at least the 3rd.
As of July 6th 2023 the Leafs are a better team than they were last season.
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How many threads are you going to start trying to convince Leaf Nation that this team is better than last year's team? This is at least the 3rd.
Matthews ain’t walking. Nylander you have to think is gone. There is no way Treliving will let what happened with Gaudreau happen again.
Gary Nylund
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I'm more interested in is how our playoff roster will compare to last year's. Probably won't be good, unless we once again spend a ton of futures at the TDL. Big picture is the renewals of Matthews, Nylander and then Marner - depending on how those go, we could be much worse in the not too distant future.
Honestly, who gives a f*** about the regular season? Barring unusual circumstances we'll make the playoffs again, it's what comes after that is what I'm interested in, not whether we finish 4th or 14th overall or whatever else. It's tiresome enough reading these posts about how freaking awesome we are in November and February, now we're already pounding out chests in July?
Honestly, who gives a f*** about the regular season? Barring unusual circumstances we'll make the playoffs again, it's what comes after that is what I'm interested in, not whether we finish 4th or 14th overall or whatever else. It's tiresome enough reading these posts about how freaking awesome we are in November and February, now we're already pounding out chests in July?
i believe we are and to think on july 1 i was shitting on our new GM oh well i hope i get to watch a good seasons because i don't think i have that many left to many health issues so this year GO LEAFS GO
NJG
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Head scratching trade? They got a first-round pick for a small puck-moving defenseman that's prone to injuries and horrible defensively. We have Liljegren/Niemela/Kokkonen who are all basically the same kind of player as Sandin. Rielly and Klingberg also play the same way, good offensively and horrible defensively.
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Why any Leaf fan entertains this kind of excessively negative mindset I’ll never understand. While both are theoretically possible we currently have no reason to expect it to get to that.
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He said he isn’t going anywhere,…. Well then here is the deal. Or do you think him saying he isn’t going anywhere means squat, it’s all about how much he gets paid.
Besides that I feel his last deal he was overpaid, this time around we hope he takes a deal more favourable to the club. His peak years have gone by, how does that equate to Mathews getting more?
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slozo
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Comparing the current team to the team we had after the trade deadline last season, there are as you say a few nice upgrades.
Knies for a full season from the beginning;
Bertuzzi
Domi
3 very strong skilled wingers, 2 of them with a solid physical element and Domi has his own brand of chippiness. It's a huge upgrade in talent overall from what we had in
Jarnkrok, Bunting and Kerfoot.
We also now have a clear enforcer in Reaves, which is a nice tool to have. Hopefully he can still play! Would be amazing to see him on a 3rd line if possible but that's highly unlikely.
On D,
We now have a true pp d-man in Klingberg . . . who may even supplant Rielly on the #pp if he is playing to his full potential. We'll see if he can rebound from a poor year.
In G,
We all expect Murray to disappear so not worried about that; and with Sammy/Woll it looks to be at the very least a goalie tandem we cn be "okay with". At worst passable; at best, top 10 in league. Better that having Murray and his nonsense in there for more than half the year.
On the negative side,
Didn't replace O'Reilly our biggest TD acquisition;
Didn't get Schenn back (will miss his physicality and snarl)
So . . . knowing Treliving, he will be adding at least one or two big strong bodies on the back end that can play (hopefully a top 4 guy!). Muzzin likely to fade out/retire . . . Giordano declining . . . so we'll see, but it's definitely a work in progress and we'll only be able to TRULY compare lineups to last season AFTER this coming season's trade deadline.
Knies for a full season from the beginning;
Bertuzzi
Domi
3 very strong skilled wingers, 2 of them with a solid physical element and Domi has his own brand of chippiness. It's a huge upgrade in talent overall from what we had in
Jarnkrok, Bunting and Kerfoot.
We also now have a clear enforcer in Reaves, which is a nice tool to have. Hopefully he can still play! Would be amazing to see him on a 3rd line if possible but that's highly unlikely.
On D,
We now have a true pp d-man in Klingberg . . . who may even supplant Rielly on the #pp if he is playing to his full potential. We'll see if he can rebound from a poor year.
In G,
We all expect Murray to disappear so not worried about that; and with Sammy/Woll it looks to be at the very least a goalie tandem we cn be "okay with". At worst passable; at best, top 10 in league. Better that having Murray and his nonsense in there for more than half the year.
On the negative side,
Didn't replace O'Reilly our biggest TD acquisition;
Didn't get Schenn back (will miss his physicality and snarl)
So . . . knowing Treliving, he will be adding at least one or two big strong bodies on the back end that can play (hopefully a top 4 guy!). Muzzin likely to fade out/retire . . . Giordano declining . . . so we'll see, but it's definitely a work in progress and we'll only be able to TRULY compare lineups to last season AFTER this coming season's trade deadline.
The core 4 are the most important part of this team. To me any decline in Tavares play due to age should be offset by Matthews increased production (I am pretty much convinced he was nursing a nagging injury for a good part of last season). Marner and Nylander, you are getting the same players back as they were last near, no better, no worse.
The rest I see new names, bigger names, but not necessarily better. Bertuzzi turned it on in the playoffs. Domi I never have been impressed with his play whenever I watched him. Is having the 2 of them here make the team better? or just more name recongnition? I'm not sure its the first, it may be more of the 2nd.
The team will be somewhat different, like ever year, and fans will have more 'names' to cheer for. But I'm at the same place I was before last season and all through last season....this team is good enough to beat anyone, but I don't think they are good enough to be EVERYONE.
The rest I see new names, bigger names, but not necessarily better. Bertuzzi turned it on in the playoffs. Domi I never have been impressed with his play whenever I watched him. Is having the 2 of them here make the team better? or just more name recongnition? I'm not sure its the first, it may be more of the 2nd.
The team will be somewhat different, like ever year, and fans will have more 'names' to cheer for. But I'm at the same place I was before last season and all through last season....this team is good enough to beat anyone, but I don't think they are good enough to be EVERYONE.
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Although I'll reserve judgement till Oct 11, I do see having Berruzzi, Domi and Knies (FY) as an improvement over O'Rielly, Kerfoot and Bunting. Faster, more skilled and meaner.
The reason I'm holding off on saying if we are better is because I think Nylander is getting moved and whatever we end up replacing him with will determine if we are better.
The reason I'm holding off on saying if we are better is because I think Nylander is getting moved and whatever we end up replacing him with will determine if we are better.
Eternal Leaf
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I see the positives but there's way too much optimism about the additions here.
It's natural since we see only the positives with new players.
In the end, there will be a huge reality check watching Domi, Klingberg, and Reeves play defense. I like the offensive upside but these guys will get carved apart in the big games. Reeves shouldn't even be on a playoff roster, but that's a separate topic.
Treliving has to insulate the defense cause Klingberg is overexposed right now and I don't think a depth defenseman will help. He's a terrible defender when handling zone entries, so they need to protect him as much as possible.
It's natural since we see only the positives with new players.
In the end, there will be a huge reality check watching Domi, Klingberg, and Reeves play defense. I like the offensive upside but these guys will get carved apart in the big games. Reeves shouldn't even be on a playoff roster, but that's a separate topic.
Treliving has to insulate the defense cause Klingberg is overexposed right now and I don't think a depth defenseman will help. He's a terrible defender when handling zone entries, so they need to protect him as much as possible.
He won the MVP just over a year ago, he's not even 26 yet how are his peak years gone?
Get educated
People keep saying that but I just don't see it.
I don't see how replacing Bunting Kerfoot and Holl with Bertuzzi, Domi and Klingberg makes Toronto worse.
Then people say "But Accari"
OK but again Bertuzzi and Domi are here which means you can Bump down Jarnkrok and he can replace on the 3rd line plus a full season of Knies.
"But Schenn"
Almost 3 million a year for 3 years no thanks.
"But ROR"
Agreed that sucks that's the one but it's not going to kill them, it's among the easier fixes.
Lol this team is going nowhere with these bunch of core players. We lost RoR which you don't even consider. He was a solid shutdown C for us and losing him is worse than any additions we made. We lost our PK in Holl and replaced him with Klingberg who might not be a factor all together.
You haven't been paying attention, I know that for a fact.
The reason I know that for a fact is because if you had been paying attention you would know I was the biggiest supporter of picking him up on this entire website, as far back as December I was saying pick him up.
I have also said several times losing ROR sucks, they are not better at center and I've never claimed they were.
On the wing? Absolutely
Defense? Yup I've said that too.
Goaltending? Little less sure about that but probably yeah, Woll is VERY likely better than Murray but Woll only has 10 career games so we shall see.
Center? nope not a chance, losing ROR absolutely sucks but it will not kill them.
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They weren't very good in the playoffs and as of July 10th they’re not as good as they were then.
The good thing is there seems to be changing of guard Boston, TB, and maybe even Florida ,which could make it a little easier for the Leafs, but up the middle and D is not very good.
He will be 27 when his next deal kicks in, no player in league history scored more goals in his second 8 years than he did in his first. Show me a player who had his highest goal scoring season at 27 plus years of age. I repeat his best days are gone. The lesson is free to you this time. You’re welcome.
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Tavares will be a season older, slower. 11mil. Off season skating school cant fix it. That will factor in negatively for the comparison
The peak for forwards is typically 25. It is doubtful he will hit 60 goals again. The Leafs would be wise to dump Marner as when he starts to slow down his game will fall apart.
