Confirmed with Link: Artturi Lehkonen (50% Retained) Traded to Colorado for a 2024 2nd Round Pick & Justin Barron

[Whitesnake]

It's inevitable that after trades, some players improve, some stay the same, some worsen, and it's probably unfeasible for the team to maximize the trade value of every player. That's a heavy burden on the coach, who also needs to either win games and/or develop young players.

Point is...with what Bergevin was given. And what he also got. There is NO reasons that we didn't win a Cup during his tenure. And be a competive team for way more than we were.

Aren't you all tired of the constant ''he wouldn't have been that great here'' comment we keep making? Doesn't it say everything that needs to be said?

I get where you’re coming from, but you’re looking at it through the wrong lense.

It’s a great trade. Exactly the kind that you and I have advocated us to make for years. And it’s exactly the kind of trade I hope we make again in the near future.

And again, I guess it's semantics..but to me thinking we made a fair trade does NOT equal to already calling a move a WIN-WIN. Call it semantics. I'm just saying, I see the difference. That's just me I guess.

To me a win comes with proven results. Nobody would have called a win for the Avs if they are already out and Lehky missed 20 open nets.

Yes, I've advocating for flushing out our waste. To get picks and rookies. In their respective draft year, I was high on Heineman. I didn't have an opinion on Smilanic though later on, I acquired him for in my simulated hockey league. And wasn't that much of a fan in Barron. Nowadays, I do have a higher opinion on Barron. But I can't say that of all the 3 guys we acquired, that I was ecstatic with 1 of them. But we got 2 1st rounders. 1 of which we know is low. 1 of which we should still think it will be low. But at least we didn't waste those guys. For sure. And I still hope that we will find a way to really unload our REAL waste like Armia, Byron and Cie. But that would take a miracle. Thanks a lot, again, to the past management.

 

[LaP]

Point is...with what Bergevin was given. And what he also got. There is NO reasons that we didn't win a Cup during his tenure. And be a competive team for way more than we were.

Aren't you all tired of the constant ''he wouldn't have been that great here'' comment we keep making? Doesn't it say everything that needs to be said?



And again, I guess it's semantics..but to me thinking we made a fair trade does NOT equal to already calling a move a WIN-WIN. Call it semantics. I'm just saying, I see the difference. That's just me I guess.

To me a win comes with proven results. Nobody would have called a win for the Avs if they are already out and Lehky missed 20 open nets.

Yes, I've advocating for flushing out our waste. To get picks and rookies. In their respective draft year, I was high on Heineman. I didn't have an opinion on Smilanic though later on, I acquired him for in my simulated hockey league. And wasn't that much of a fan in Barron. Nowadays, I do have a higher opinion on Barron. But I can't say that of all the 3 guys we acquired, that I was ecstatic with 1 of them. But we got 2 1st rounders. 1 of which we know is low. 1 of which we should still think it will be low. But at least we didn't waste those guys. For sure. And I still hope that we will find a way to really unload our REAL waste like Armia, Byron and Cie. But that would take a miracle. Thanks a lot, again, to the past management.

The thing is with most prospects not drafted in the top 3 you never really know. For every prospects you'll have a bunch of people high on him and a bunch of people low on him. At the end of the day the more good prospects you have the better. Lot of our prospects will fail. But we improved the pool and we have more chance to get something out of it. The pool was rather thin before we sell imo. There was quality but not lot of it. If we stand pat next season and let things go and draft top 10 again the pool will become a high quality one.

 

[26Mats]

Lehkonen is always a needed piece for any team heading into playoffs - he's the perfect complimentary piece. Much like Lars Eller was. At some point we will be giving our draft picks and a B prospect for similar when our time to strike comes.

I agree with this.

While I see Heineman as a B prospect, I have Justin Barron as an A prospect. Hopefully he pans out!

 

[CHwest]

I am very happy for his success. Love the constant smile, reminds me of Valerie Bure, another one that was always smiling.

 

[dcyhabs]

It's inevitable that after trades, some players improve, some stay the same, some worsen, and it's probably unfeasible for the team to maximize the trade value of every player. That's a heavy burden on the coach, who also needs to either win games and/or develop young players.

I agree, you don't need to win every trade. You need to make sure you build a functional team. If you need a #1 center or a #1 D for the team to win you find a way to get that guy even if it means "losing" a trade. It's hard to do, probably harder than winning most of your trades, but you have to get the guys you need, not the guys you can get without giving up much. Adding 3 bad players at the trade deadline can actively hurt the team while getting one good player can make a huge positive difference. Rotating through third pairing D-men for years when you need a good second pairing guy is a loss even if you gain value on the total of the transactions.

Trading Lekhonen was the right move for Montreal, trading for him was good for Colorado. Barron wasn't going to help Colorado's cup run, Lekhonen will be trending down before the habs are good. Colorado has a real shot at a cup, they have to go for it. Montreal needs to get worse before they get better.

On the flip side finding guys who will improve, and where the improvement isn't too much of a surprise, guys like Theodore, Toews, and Duclair, is a huge win. If you can tell which 21-22 year old players are about to break out as opposed to bust you can improve a lot.

 

[cphabs]

I see our fan base did not change. I'm glad it looks like we now have a management who will not try to please to our fan base instead of trying to win. Anyone who would have kept Lehkonen is out for launch imo.

Trading him affirms we are 4 to 6 years from being competitive. I’m fine with that and it is realistic imo.

 

[26Mats]

Trading him affirms we are 4 to 6 years from being competitive. I’m fine with that and it is realistic imo.

The seasons will be long.

But I'm really looking forward to getting some top talent at multiple drafts.

And we already have a lot of good young talent. But we should try to get a future number 1 D, a future #1 goalie, more future top 6 wingers, and after Wright and Suzuki, it still wouldn't hurt to draft ceters, if we think the BPA is a future star center.

 

[cphabs]

The seasons will be long.

But I'mbreally looking forward to getting some top talent at multiple drafts.

And we already have a lot of good young talent. But we should try to get a future number 1 D, a future #1 goalie, more future top 6 wingers, and after Wright and Suzuki, it still wouldn't hurt to draft Veters, if we think the BPA is a future star center.

We are in cap hell as others have mentioned.

 

[26Mats]

We are in cap hell as others have mentioned.

Yes, that's a blessing in not such a good disguise for those of us that want to do a full rebuild.

Pretty much impossible for HuGo to make us better in the short term. So we should finish near the bottom and get good draft picks.

 

[yianik]

If this has to be deleted then so be it because I can't give the source, but Barron is pretty much recovered from his injury and will be going at it hard to get ready for camp.

 

[70Stang]

Barron is a stud, he is going to surprise a lot of fans. Kid will be on Habs opening day roster. It almost feels like he is a forgotten piece. Crosby said it best when he said he would not of traded Barron. Kid is ready and I trust Sid!!!

 

[Treb]

If this has to be deleted then so be it because I can't give the source, but Barron is pretty much recovered from his injury and will be going at it hard to get ready for camp.

This was expected, so not sure why it would be deleted.

 

[Jee]

This was expected, so not sure why it would be deleted.

you should delete it just for fun

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Lekhonens smile is the hardest part of him to see go so happy for the lad

 

[1909]

Some Habs and ex- players had been miscasted and misused. See what Danault, Lehky and Armia can do if put in more offensive roles chairs. Armia will always remain a puzzle anyway. I am expecting him to be traded in this off season. He looked very good at the last World.

 

[Saundies]

Hope Lehky wins a cup and I hope Barron becomes a good part of our D core.

Really love win/win trades and LOVE Lehky/wish him all the best.

 

[KevSkillz4]

Hope Lehky wins a cup and I hope Barron becomes a good part of our D core.

Really love win/win trades and LOVE Lehky/wish him all the best.

That's a realistic thing. Lehky can W the Cup this year and Barron can become a very good top 4 d-man. After 5 games with Habs we already see his high potential. Great skillset. Add a 2nd round in 2024 draft it's always a good thing to have a 2nd round pick.

Lehky can develop into a better offensive player with Colorado, that's really cool to see that... I always like Lehky except the fact he can't finish play, right now... he looks the guy who have scored 18 goals at his rookie year.

 

[Spearmint Rhino]

Barron is a stud, he is going to surprise a lot of fans. Kid will be on Habs opening day roster. It almost feels like he is a forgotten piece. Crosby said it best when he said he would not of traded Barron. Kid is ready and I trust Sid!!!

Yeah well Mackinnon who was also training with Sid (and Marchand) against Barron said he'd trade 7 1st rounders for Lehky so Hugo lost this trade big time

 

[expy]

Lehky GET THE CUP!

This guy is killing it in the playoffs.

 

[OldCraig71]

Barron is a stud, he is going to surprise a lot of fans. Kid will be on Habs opening day roster. It almost feels like he is a forgotten piece. Crosby said it best when he said he would not of traded Barron. Kid is ready and I trust Sid!!!

Colorado was in win-now mode and needed a player like Lehky to solidify their forward group and they went for it which is what a properly managed franchise should do. I mean you no disrespect by your mentality here is the same one that held us back with Bergevin, he failed to help the team because he never went after it when he had the chance. There were reports that he wouldn't give up Ryan Poehling in a potential trade for ROR, I mean, what?

Some Habs and ex- players had been miscasted and misused. See what Danault, Lehky and Armia can do if put in more offensive roles chairs. Armia will always remain a puzzle anyway. I am expecting him to be traded in this off season. He looked very good at the last World.

They weren't miscast, they were simply the best we had and all are or were playing above their rightful places. They are all solid depth on good teams, more complimentary than the core.

 

[expy]

Colorado was in win-now mode and needed a player like Lehky to solidify their forward group and they went for it which is what a properly managed franchise should do. I mean you no disrespect by your mentality here is the same one that held us back with Bergevin, he failed to help the team because he never went after it when he had the chance. There were reports that he wouldn't give up Ryan Poehling in a potential trade for ROR, I mean, what?

LOLOL WHAT

 

[LaP]

Colorado was in win-now mode and needed a player like Lehky to solidify their forward group and they went for it which is what a properly managed franchise should do. I mean you no disrespect by your mentality here is the same one that held us back with Bergevin, he failed to help the team because he never went after it when he had the chance. There were reports that he wouldn't give up Ryan Poehling in a potential trade for ROR, I mean, what?


They weren't miscast, they were simply the best we had and all are or were playing above their rightful places. They are all solid depth on good teams, more complimentary than the core.

Not only Lehkonen help them this year but he will be an ace in Sakic's sleeve this summer. Kadri, Burakovski and Nichushkin are all UFA this summer. Will be almost impossible to sign all of them. Lehkonen is a good insurance policy to start next season. He will be able to take Burakovski spot if needed and if it doesn't work for him in the top 6 they'll be able to address the situation at the tdl.

 

[themilosh]

The value based on what he was able to show was fair. Here lies the problem...him, Eller, Danault, are showing that their value is much greater.

My problem is less with what Hughes was able to get than the value of players that Bergevin was unable to provide based on how bad an architect he was.

And in order to get the maximum potential out of players (especially middle 6s) is to build a team properly, creating an environment to thrive in. We already have up n coming Lehks type players, who will thrive under our new system.

In order to rebuild correctly, the trades hugo has made to date were necessary, and contributed to us becoming even stronger at the draft.

 

[expy]

And in order to get the maximum potential out of players (especially middle 6s) is to build a team properly, creating an environment to thrive in. We already have up n coming Lehks type players, who will thrive under our new system.

In order to rebuild correctly, the trades hugo has made to date were necessary, and contributed to us becoming even stronger at the draft.

Draft is hit or miss, we aren't guaranteed to get anyone who will be better or even as good as Lehkonen from it, and Barron hasn't proven anything yet.
It's definitely a loss from the get-go, we'll see if years if we come out even or on top.

 

[LaP]

Draft is hit or miss, we aren't guaranteed to get anyone who will be better or even as good as Lehkonen from it, and Barron hasn't proven anything yet.
It's definitely a loss from the get-go, we'll see if years if we come out even or on top.

The get-go doesn't matter much atm. This team was going to be bad next season no matter what.