Confirmed with Link: Artturi Lehkonen (50% Retained) Traded to Colorado for a 2024 2nd Round Pick & Justin Barron

[Team_Spirit]

With Lehkonen and Toffoli we might have won a couple more games, bumped down a notch or two at the lotto draft and have the 6th overall pick instead of the 1st.

And no we would not be getting a Byram or Drysdale for a rfa about to hit his pay day, even if he was double shifted and used on PP1 all season.

 

[Andy]

Not how I see. I'M more than able to acknowldge win-win. I just want to see the reality of it. Not the perception. Example of win-win...Suzuki for Pacioretty. BOTH teams saw how effective both players are. I'd like to remind people that when the trade happened, some were dissapointed we didn't get Glass instead. That Glass would have been seen more as a ''good trade for both teams''. So the opposite could also occur. It might not look as a good trade by both teams when it happens, and immediately becomes that later on.

Look WS, I love you as a poster, but you're being critical for the sake of being critical here. If you really "want to see the reality", then stay quiet for the next 4-5 years to see if Barron and the pick end up contributing more than Lekhonen ever could.

 

[Andy]

A lot of folks here are falling in the same trap Bergevin fell into: gushing over very good support players that help push forward a contending while your team needs to be rebuilt.

Keeping Lekhonen on a rebuilding team makes no sense. It's literally a wasted asset. You would be wasting Lekhonen's best years during a rebuild.

Guys like Lekhonen are best used when you are competing for a cup. The habs aren't doing that anytime soon and they have significant foundational roles to fill.

It's really a no brainer.

 

[beowulf]

A lot of folks here are falling in the same trap Bergevin fell into: gushing over very good support players that help push forward a contending while your team needs to be rebuilt.

Keeping Lekhonen on a rebuilding team makes no sense. It's literally a wasted asset. You would be wasting Lekhonen's best years during a rebuild.

Guys like Lekhonen are best used when you are competing for a cup. The habs aren't doing that anytime soon and they have significant foundational roles to fill.

It's really a no brainer.

I hated to see him go I feel a lot of people around here underrated his value. I only wish they would have got even more for him and his playoffs are showing he could have got more in a trade. I guess we will have to see who the second turns into and how Barron fares in the NHL going forward.

 

[NORiculous]

A lot of folks here are falling in the same trap Bergevin fell into: gushing over very good support players that help push forward a contending while your team needs to be rebuilt.

Keeping Lekhonen on a rebuilding team makes no sense. It's literally a wasted asset. You would be wasting Lekhonen's best years during a rebuild.

Guys like Lekhonen are best used when you are competing for a cup. The habs aren't doing that anytime soon and they have significant foundational roles to fill.

It's really a no brainer.

I liked Lehkonen and wanted to keep him initially but the offer was good enough to move.

I agree and the same can be said for Dvorak, Allen and more.

 

[angusyoung]

I guess MacKinnon has no ambitions of becoming a GM.. lol - what a dumb comment to say, even if he's just making a point.

No kidding,any GM making that move and it would be a short stint. Well hopefully his praise about Barron is not an exaggeration

 

[jaffy27]

I hated to see him go I feel a lot of people around here underrated his value. I only wish they would have got even more for him and his playoffs are showing he could have got more in a trade. I guess we will have to see who the second turns into and how Barron fares in the NHL going forward.

Lehkonen never would've produced at that pace with this team....there's no MacKinnon or Makar to help boost his offense.....that's why we traded him, for a very good return mind you, so we CAN build a team that ressembles the Avalanche, or Lightning.

Trading our older players with value allows us a better chance at foundering in the standings, hence increasing our chances at drafting a Makar or MacKinnon so in the future, players like Lehkonen will hold better value.

Let's hope Wright is the start of this new beginning.

This seems like a trade both teams should be fans of. We got a good prospect and a pick y'all got a middle six forward who score clutch goals.

I hope yall win the cup, I'll prbly stop by in the finals. Need to cheer on our boy the baby faced assassin lehkonen.

I'm on board with that.....it's been a great trade for both teams so far.

I'm 100% cheering for Avalanche for our boy Lehky

 

[417]

A lot of folks here are falling in the same trap Bergevin fell into: gushing over very good support players that help push forward a contending while your team needs to be rebuilt.

Keeping Lekhonen on a rebuilding team makes no sense. It's literally a wasted asset. You would be wasting Lekhonen's best years during a rebuild.

Guys like Lekhonen are best used when you are competing for a cup. The habs aren't doing that anytime soon and they have significant foundational roles to fill.

It's really a no brainer.

Agreed with this, however, I'd say keeping Lehkonen would have been easier had they prioritized it over guys like Byron or Armia.

 

[Andy]

I hated to see him go I feel a lot of people around here underrated his value. I only wish they would have got even more for him and his playoffs are showing he could have got more in a trade. I guess we will have to see who the second turns into and how Barron fares in the NHL going forward.

Sure, but we have to be realistic to what guys like Lekhonen are actually worth. The value was fair.

 

[Whitesnake]

Sure, but we have to be realistic to what guys like Lekhonen are actually worth. The value was fair.

The value based on what he was able to show was fair. Here lies the problem...him, Eller, Danault, are showing that their value is much greater.

My problem is less with what Hughes was able to get than the value of players that Bergevin was unable to provide based on how bad an architect he was.

 

[Redux91]

I guess MacKinnon has no ambitions of becoming a GM.. lol - what a dumb comment to say, even if he's just making a point.

Lol cmon dude, that wasnt a matter of fact comment
The guy is just ELATED to be going to the cup final, and the deadline acquisition they got, who happened to score a send a team to a cup final goal JUST last year, AND they all know that, and he goes and does it AGAIN

I completely understand Mack being SO pleased with him he would say something like that, doesnt mean he would DO that as a GM himself

 

[JoelWarlord]

I don't really see what more we could have expected to get out of Lehkonen. We got a recent 1st round pick (which is far more valuable than an arbitrary late 1st from a contender), plus a 2nd round pick. Blake Coleman returned a worse prospect (Foote) and a Vancouver 1st. Goodrow went for a late 1st and a throw-in. Barron + 2nd for Lehkonen is pretty much right in line with those trades. He's better than Goodrow so we got quite a bit more, he's a little worse than Coleman so we got a little less.

Again I really just don't see the issue. Barron is a way more valuable asset to get back than some extra picks, and you're never getting a genuine blue chip prospect in return for this type of player. It's happened like once in a decade (Erat for Forsberg, and Erat in his prime was a better player than Lehkonen for that matter). Perhaps they could have been using Lehkonen as a puck retriever in the top 6 before and boosted his value, but we didn't really have the horses that Colorado has, and it's hard to argue with Tatar's success as our top line LW with Danault and Gallagher, or Toffoli in our top 6 the last two seasons.

 

[Andy]

The value based on what he was able to show was fair. Here lies the problem...him, Eller, Danault, are showing that their value is much greater.

My problem is less with what Hughes was able to get than the value of players that Bergevin was unable to provide based on how bad an architect he was.

I don't know man, seems like you are just finding things to say at this point. If it's too early to tell, then why comment? Come back in four years and then let us know how you feel. At the moment, its not really advancing any discussion or bringing anything new.

 

[themilosh]

Lehkonen is always a needed piece for any team heading into playoffs - he's the perfect complimentary piece. Much like Lars Eller was. At some point we will be giving our draft picks and a B prospect for similar when our time to strike comes.

 

[Whitesnake]

I don't know man, seems like you are just finding things to say at this point. If it's too early to tell, then why comment? Come back in four years and then let us know how you feel. At the moment, its not really advancing any discussion or bringing anything new.

lol, what kind of comment is that? Isn't that a board for opinions based on what fans know? Don't you just know that everything we say is always too early to tell? What's hard to understand? What's NOT early to tell as I say in my posts is that Bergevin sucked at being an architect. Is that too early to tell? What more proofs you need?

Strange that you are able to comment that the trade was fair. How's that not too early to tell? Do you not read the post I made or you had a copy and paste ready to go. I ALSO said that what Hughes received was fair.

I'm saying, 'cause cleary you missed the entire point, is that we didn't benefit from the entirety of our players talents under Bergevin. That's NOT to early to tell. It's right there.

 

[OldCraig71]

Agreed with this, however, I'd say keeping Lehkonen would have been easier had they prioritized it over guys like Byron or Armia.

If team Finland had an NHL team we could have gotten a boatload for Armia and as for Biron, he's broken and we are stuck with him.

 

[26Mats]

If team Finland had an NHL team we could have gotten a boatload for Armia and as for Biron, he's broken and we are stuck with him.

With all his recent injuries, and the guy weighing 150 lbs soaking wet, he still goes into the corners like he's 6'4 250. I don't know whether to call him brave or out of his mind. Probably both.

 

[OldCraig71]

With all his recent injuries, and the guy weighing 150 lbs soaking wet, he still goes into the corners like he's 6'4 250. I don't know whether to call him brave or out of his mind. Probably both.

He's a grinder without a grinder's body and he has dropped off since the fight with Weegar where his brain got mushed. I think that we are stuck with him.

 

[26Mats]

He's a grinder without a grinder's body and he has dropped off since the fight with Weegar where his brain got mushed. I think that we are stuck with him.

His strength was his speed - he had to have been one of the fastest in the league in his prime. He's still fast, but not as fast - so he's not getting as many breakaways as he used to - or getting to lose pucks around the net quicker than others. That's how he used to score 20.

If he stays healthy, which is unlikely, there should be interest in him at the TDL.

 

[Whitesnake]

Look WS, I love you as a poster, but you're being critical for the sake of being critical here. If you really "want to see the reality", then stay quiet for the next 4-5 years to see if Barron and the pick end up contributing more than Lekhonen ever could.

So that's what a hockey forum is about? Stay quiet till we know the end result? I guessed I missed the memo...are every subject in this forum about what happened 4-5 years ago? Strange....should I start an evaluation of the Zach Redmond for Nick Deslauriers trade? Or the Mike Reilly for the 5th round pick? Or hey applaud Bergie for his Pleky and Cie for the 2nd rounder? Is it time to revise the Galchy for Domi trade officially?

To each their own. I'm not going to call a win-win for a trade we don't know if it's really a win. Still wonder how you are fine with calling a deal a win-win when we don't know how half of the trade will turn out to be....Having said that, I can call that a fair deal based on what Lehkonen's value was at the time the deal was made. Deal?

The Suzuki vs Pacioretty deal is a win-win. Proven. Based on what both guys brought to their respective team. The Lehkonen vs Barron deal is not a win-win trade....YET. I'm sure it's not too hard to understand. Don't worry. If it one day becomes a win for us too, I'll be adjusting it and say that it's FINALLY a win-win.

 

[26Mats]

So that's what a hockey forum is about? Stay quiet till we know the end result? I guessed I missed the memo...are every subject in this forum about what happened 4-5 years ago? Strange....should I start an evaluation of the Zach Redmond for Nick Deslauriers trade? Or the Mike Reilly for the 5th round pick? Or hey applaud Bergie for his Pleky and Cie for the 2nd rounder? Is it time to revise the Galchy for Domi trade officially?

To each their own. I'm not going to call a win-win for a trade we don't know if it's really a win. Still wonder how you are fine with calling a deal a win-win when we don't know how half of the trade will turn out to be....Having said that, I can call that a fair deal based on what Lehkonen's value was at the time the deal was made. Deal?

The Suzuki vs Pacioretty deal is a win-win. Proven. Based on what both guys brought to their respective team. The Lehkonen vs Barron deal is not a win-win trade....YET. I'm sure it's not too hard to understand. Don't worry. If it one day becomes a win for us too, I'll be adjusting it and say that it's FINALLY a win-win.

This is true, but ultimately, you never know how prospects will develop. If we make a lot of trades like this (vets for futures), allnthat matters is that on the whole we get some good future core players. Not every one of them has to individually be a win.

For example, I wouldn't expect us to hit on both the 1st in the Chiarot trade and the 1st from the Toffoli trade. But if one of them ends up being a top 6 winger/top 4 D/number 1 goalie, I would say both trades were successful. It's all about getting darts to throw at the dart board.

 

[Whitesnake]

This is true, but ultimately, you never know how prospects will develop. If we make a lot of trades like this (vets for futures), allnthat matters is that on the whole we get some good future core players. Not every one of them has to individually be a win.

For example, I wouldn't expect us to hit on both the 1st in the Chiarot trade and the 1st from the Toffoli trade. But if one of them ends up being a top 6 winger/top 4 D/number 1 goalie, I would say both trades were successful. It's all about getting darts to throw at the dart board.

And I have no problem about that. I didn't want to keep Chiarot. Didn't want to keep Toffoli. Would have prefered to keep Lehky....But what I probably would have preferred, would have been to have better prospects and lesser draft picks. But we didn't get bad prospects either. Especially Heineman and Barron. I think we made good trades. I'm just saying.....to ALREADY call it WIN-WIN....I don't see it. Not yet.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

So that's what a hockey forum is about? Stay quiet till we know the end result? I guessed I missed the memo...are every subject in this forum about what happened 4-5 years ago? Strange....should I start an evaluation of the Zach Redmond for Nick Deslauriers trade? Or the Mike Reilly for the 5th round pick? Or hey applaud Bergie for his Pleky and Cie for the 2nd rounder? Is it time to revise the Galchy for Domi trade officially?

To each their own. I'm not going to call a win-win for a trade we don't know if it's really a win. Still wonder how you are fine with calling a deal a win-win when we don't know how half of the trade will turn out to be....Having said that, I can call that a fair deal based on what Lehkonen's value was at the time the deal was made. Deal?

The Suzuki vs Pacioretty deal is a win-win. Proven. Based on what both guys brought to their respective team. The Lehkonen vs Barron deal is not a win-win trade....YET. I'm sure it's not too hard to understand. Don't worry. If it one day becomes a win for us too, I'll be adjusting it and say that it's FINALLY a win-win.

I get where you’re coming from, but you’re looking at it through the wrong lense.

It’s a great trade. Exactly the kind that you and I have advocated us to make for years. And it’s exactly the kind of trade I hope we make again in the near future.

 

[DAChampion]

The value based on what he was able to show was fair. Here lies the problem...him, Eller, Danault, are showing that their value is much greater.

My problem is less with what Hughes was able to get than the value of players that Bergevin was unable to provide based on how bad an architect he was.

It's inevitable that after trades, some players improve, some stay the same, some worsen, and it's probably unfeasible for the team to maximize the trade value of every player. That's a heavy burden on the coach, who also needs to either win games and/or develop young players.

 

[dcyhabs]

Lekhonen is great on a team that has the pieces to compete. He’s very good but he’s not one of the five or so key play drivers you need to make a team competitive. It’s unlikely Barron or the pick will end up that good, either, but there is a chance and they’ll be peaking when the team expects to be good not aging out. The ages match where the teams are going.