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Confirmed with Link: Artturi Lehkonen (50% Retained) Traded to Colorado for a 2024 2nd Round Pick & Justin Barron

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Whitesnake said:
Here lies the f***ing problem. In 9 years, we have been unable, by building a team, to make a guy like Lehkonen either a permanent fixture OR a much greater value in a trade. It,s a f***ing waste.
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For sure. But it looks like we're actually rebuilding with our new management. This off-season will tell us if we're serious about rebuilding this team as a cup contender. We're clearly headed in the right direction and maybe we'll put it all together in about 5 years.
 
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Whitesnake said:
And to be a great team, you have to maximize assets. CLEARLY, Lehkonen wasn't maximize because in the past we were unable to surround him better.

With the players we traded, it was time to FORGET the picks, and concentrate in picking better prospects. WE did fine trades. We didn't maximize the trades. That's a fact. I loved Lehky. Always did. Even when people in here, most people, were laughing at him. I wasn't.

Until proven otherwise, we are totally in our right to be skeptic. You want to see life with unicorns, be my guess.
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I would very much disagree with the statement that we CLEARLY didn't maximize our trade return with Lehkonen. Getting a 1st and a 2nd is very much inline with what elite 3rd liners/tweener 2nd liners should get in value. And if asset management is the key to building a great team then we turned pick #55 into pick #25 and #63/64, so we won the asset management game quite easily there.

And there's every reason to believe Barron's value has gone up since his draft. His D+1 year he improved his production by 68% from his previous year, and had a very good D+2 year in the AHL. You can say he's likely not going to become a top-pairing D man and that's true the same way it's also true for Nemec/Jiricek as well because getting a top-pairing D from a non-generational player is always unlikely. It's a meaningless statement, and is especially non-sense when talking about the return for Lehkonen since there's no way the expectation should have been we would get a top-pairing guy as a return.
 
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Sorinth said:
I would very much disagree with the statement that we CLEARLY didn't maximize our trade return with Lehkonen. Getting a 1st and a 2nd is very much inline with what elite 3rd liners/tweener 2nd liners should get in value. And if asset management is the key to building a great team then we turned pick #55 into pick #25 and #63/64, so we won the asset management game quite easily there.

And there's every reason to believe Barron's value has gone up since his draft. His D+1 year he improved his production by 68% from his previous year, and had a very good D+2 year in the AHL. You can say he's likely not going to become a top-pairing D man and that's true the same way it's also true for Nemec/Jiricek as well because getting a top-pairing D from a non-generational player is always unlikely. It's a meaningless statement, and is especially non-sense when talking about the return for Lehkonen since there's no way the expectation should have been we would get a top-pairing guy as a return.
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I wonder if people do it on purpose to not get the point. I didn't say HUGHES didn't maximize the return. I said that we didn't put the player in a position to be more than what he is NOW showing. 'Cause we had a bad team. 'Cause we thought that Tatar and Gallagher were our best wingers. 'Cause we had no vision. A guy like Lehkonen should have been able to shine with us in a more competitive team. Same with Eller. Same with Danault.

If Lehky would have been helped and put in a better situation in Montreal, we would have either decided to keep him 'cause he would have shown to be even more valuable than he was with us. OR....we would have traded him for a much greater return.

What I would fault Hughes as I did when the trades happened, is that while the packages look fine....we were unable for 3 players to get better prospects while getting lesser picks. That's the road I would have wished to see. But he had to dealt with the hand he had. Which are the players in the environment we had.
 
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TT1 said:
told u it would be a mistake to trade him

well at least now we get to see him win a cup
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What's your idea of a good trade? One where we completely rip-off the other team?

Lek is doing what most of us hoped he'd do. Playing a good supporting role on a contending team that wanted scoring depth. The Avs got what they wanted and we shouldn't be upset about it.

What matters to us is the return. Lek would've been wasted here. It makes way more sense to do what we did and get futures. By all accounts Barron is a great prospect and we've got a pick to go with it. This is the definition of a win/win trade.

And I hope Leky continues to score. Power to him. I'll always remember him for his huge goal last year. I wish him nothing but the best. But I'd still make that trade today without any hesitation. I mean that's a great return for a player like Lek. Were people actually expecting to get more?
 
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Lafleurs Guy said:
What's your idea of a good trade? One where we completely rip-off the other team?

Lek is doing what most of us hoped he'd do. Playing a good supporting role on a contending team that wanted scoring depth. The Avs got what they wanted and we shouldn't be upset about it.

What matters to us is the return. Lek would've been wasted here. It makes way more sense to do what we did and get futures. By all accounts Barron is a great prospect and we've got a pick to go with it. This is the definition of a win/win trade.

And I hope Leky continues to score. Power to him. I'll always remember him for his huge goal last year. I wish him nothing but the best. But I'd still make that trade today without any hesitation.
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Plus what Lehkonen is doing bodes well if Armia or Byron can have good first half of this year.

They still probably have a certain reputation from our cup final run as playoff warriors. But they need to be producing in season, as Lehkonen was, to garner a good return...
 
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JoeSakic13 said:
It sucks that Barron has a chance to turn into a stud, but that’s the price you pay for a guy like Lehks. He’s everything that was advertised and more.
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We tried to tell everybody in our trade proposals, but most people wouldn't listen. Credit to Avs fans though, your board seemed to appreciate what he can bring to the table the most, along with Rangers fans.

Love the player and person. Just a great guy and super happy for him.
 
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Whitesnake said:
Lehkonen is just a perfect playoff player.
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He’s also a perfect role model for a young team. This was his value here imo, we are not a playoff threat any time soon, but I think young guys coming in and seeing a vet do all the right things and playing the Wright way is extremely important. Hopefully Barron works because we gave up a beauty imo.
 
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What kind of salary do you guys think Lehkonen will be asking for?

I would think more than Joel Armia at 3.4 for sure. Blake Coleman gets 4.9 but he scored 20+ on multiple occasions before that, even though Lehkonen had better stats than him this season. Barclay Goodrow gets 3.6. Obviously Lehkonen is an RFA, so not the same leverage as a UFA, but still, he'll be cashing in. If he likes it in Colorado, I could see him accepting a team friendly deal between 3.5-4 on multiple years.
 
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What kind of salary do you guys think Lehkonen will be asking for?

I would think more than Joel Armia at 3.4 for sure. Blake Coleman gets 4.9 but he scored 20+ on multiple occasions before that, even though Lehkonen had better stats than him this season. Barclay Goodrow gets 3.6. Obviously Lehkonen is an RFA, so not the same leverage as a UFA, but still, he'll be cashing in. If he likes it in Colorado, I could see him accepting a team friendly deal between 3.5-4 on multiple years.
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5 to 5.5
 
Whitesnake said:
I wonder if people do it on purpose to not get the point. I didn't say HUGHES didn't maximize the return. I said that we didn't put the player in a position to be more than what he is NOW showing. 'Cause we had a bad team. 'Cause we thought that Tatar and Gallagher were our best wingers. 'Cause we had no vision. A guy like Lehkonen should have been able to shine with us in a more competitive team. Same with Eller. Same with Danault.

If Lehky would have been helped and put in a better situation in Montreal, we would have either decided to keep him 'cause he would have shown to be even more valuable than he was with us. OR....we would have traded him for a much greater return.

What I would fault Hughes as I did when the trades happened, is that while the packages look fine....we were unable for 3 players to get better prospects while getting lesser picks. That's the road I would have wished to see. But he had to dealt with the hand he had. Which are the players in the environment we had.
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No but I’m going to say it again, Hughes got raped on the deal. Barron MIGHT become a regular 3rd pairing Dman, he does nothing exceptional as a Dman.

Lekhonen’s as predicted is showing why his value cannot be measured in G + A…. some players simply were born to “help in the playoffs”

 
Lafleurs Guy said:
What's your idea of a good trade? One where we completely rip-off the other team?

Lek is doing what most of us hoped he'd do. Playing a good supporting role on a contending team that wanted scoring depth. The Avs got what they wanted and we shouldn't be upset about it.

What matters to us is the return. Lek would've been wasted here. It makes way more sense to do what we did and get futures. By all accounts Barron is a great prospect and we've got a pick to go with it. This is the definition of a win/win trade.

And I hope Leky continues to score. Power to him. I'll always remember him for his huge goal last year. I wish him nothing but the best. But I'd still make that trade today without any hesitation. I mean that's a great return for a player like Lek. Were people actually expecting to get more?
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Because I missed a lot of this year, I don't have the glasses some did from MSL era, I can say many thought the guy was a 3rd liner(At best) and should have been moved with Armia. He is getting long in the tooth age wise and would be 30 by the time this core was ready for anything. I always liked him as a plyaer. Never saw him as a stud the way he has been.

I am OK with the trade because we need a D prospect more than anything. We also will need a winger, but someone a bit bigger. Don't want an entire smurf team again. This may turn out to be a good trade for both teams. Lehky might be having his Toffoli season and never plays as well. And sadly we just didn't have the talent the avs do to make his usage more worthwhile.

Where is the spell check on this new board? I feel so old because I hate change even more as I age.
 
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TT1 said:
told u it would be a mistake to trade him

well at least now we get to see him win a cup
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It wasn't a mistake though. It was a great trade when it was made, and its still a great trade. Lehkonen scoring big goals for a contending team doesn't change that. The habs might not make the playoffs the next few years, and by the time the habs are ready to contend for a cup, Lehkonen will be exiting his prime.
 
TT1 said:
told u it would be a mistake to trade him

well at least now we get to see him win a cup
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It isn't a mistake.

I'm happy he's gone, happy with the retirn and happy he found a more suitable home where he is successful.
 
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Trade at the time: "What a bunch of suckers! Giving up so much for a marginal player who can't score. Hughes is a genius!"

Trade today: "Why did we trade him away?!? Those bastards screwed us. We could have gotten so much more for him. Hughes is terrible!"

I know this doesn't represent all Habs fans but the fact that even a minority can think like this is embarrassing
 
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