Paddyjack
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Would be a funny repetition of history.
Montreal trades Roy to Avs -> Avs win the cup
Montreal trades Lehkonen to Avs ->
Sure working better right now in that scenario than when we traded Andrighetto to them
Confirmed with Link: Artturi Lehkonen (50% Retained) Traded to Colorado for a 2024 2nd Round Pick & Justin Barron
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Sure working better right now in that scenario than when we traded Andrighetto to them
Sorinth
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He isn't showing anything new, he has always and continues to be an elite 3rd line winger who can move into the top-6 and not look out of place, he's also always been a guy who steps up in the playoffs. Nothing he's done with Colorado has changed that, it's not like he's now viewed as a 60pt player. If Colorado decides to trade his rights this summer they are probably looking and a very similar return to what we got.
Whitesnake
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Well that's the whole purpose of analyzing a trade. It's that we can do it in different time. The trade is good 'cause we got good value. WE didn't trade Tinordi for John Scott here. But going to already claim that it's a great trade for both teams, you are actually comparing a guy who is a huge part of maybe a Cup winning team....to a guy we have no idea how he will turn out to be.
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If my Avs sign him to that contract, I would jump for joy.
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Andrighetto was amazing for them out of the gate.Sure working better right now in that scenario than when we traded Andrighetto to them
Lafleurs Guy
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Whenever you trade for futures you don’t know exactly what you’ll get. But I think it’s certainly fair to say it’s a good trade based on what you know at the time. If Barton busts I’m not going to complain. To me, this is a great trade for us. Might not work out but it’s a smart calculated risk.
The issue with this trade is there is a subset of sports fans who think that win-win trades are losses. The only acceptable trades in some people's minds are trades where you screw the other team.
In reality, that's not realistic expectations. Good on Lekhonen. He's a good player and I am happy he is finding success. Super happy with the return on him as well.
In reality, that's not realistic expectations. Good on Lekhonen. He's a good player and I am happy he is finding success. Super happy with the return on him as well.
Redux91
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Lol OF COURSE everybody wants Lehky back now .. it never fails..
As much as I LOVE that bastid, this is a 2 to 3 year rebuild, it just is, and he would of just wasted away here
Good on him for being with a winner and good on him gonna get a GREAT contract now
I'll always support him from afar!
People go google Barrons first NHL goal, that's what we're building now
As much as I LOVE that bastid, this is a 2 to 3 year rebuild, it just is, and he would of just wasted away here
Good on him for being with a winner and good on him gonna get a GREAT contract now
I'll always support him from afar!
People go google Barrons first NHL goal, that's what we're building now
It was inevitable Lehk was going to move and we all had to be happy Hughes held out. I was never for trading him for the second rounder most people thought he was worth. He had too much value as a role model on this club. Hearing Landeskog talk about him last evening confirms what most of us knew. Lehk is super easy to get along with fits in anywhere and leaves it all on the ice. Great Pro Athlete.
Whitesnake
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Well I don't entirely agree. 'Cause based on that type of analysis, that's why we kept saying how Bergevin was so great in his trades. Yet, was unable to build a team. If you trade for known commodity, as young as they are (in comparison with draft picks in the future), you still have an analysis to do. They went and acquired Barron, Smilanic and Heineman the way they go and draft players. With the extra help that those 3 guys weren't 17 year old.
So as I say, right now it's fine value. Chiarot is awesome value. Good with both Toffoli and Lehkonen. But great for both teams even if picks and young players are bringing nothing? We will really look back at it in 5 years and still claim it was a great trade?
Shouldn't we analyze trades the way we analyze draft picks? Was the Oilers choosing Yakupov a great pick? Because he was a consensus? Yet, people in here keep laughing at the Brule pick saying that the ones who wanted him look bad...NOW....well Brule had clearly numbers to justify the pick no? Well I think trades should be analyzed the same way. And just like draft day, WINNERS when it just happens it's a game. It's not reality.
Habs won the 2012 draft. Never seen this board so ecstatic. Guess how it's looking now...just saying...we should reserve our rights to review the moves. No matter what they are. Very good value? Yes. Great trade for both teams? We will see.
I know I don't want him back. I wouldn't be against keeping him. But based on how far we are....chances are we'd need Lehky when he'll be 30 years old. And at the pace he's playing, kid won't be as effective at 30.
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Its at least a 2 to 3 year rebuild. It'll take them at least 2 years to dig themselves out of the mess Bergevin left. We'll see how HuGo make use of the 2nd and how Barron develops, but it was a trade that needed to be made if the correct offer came around.
I love Lehk as a player, but Montreal needs to build an actual core first before they start to worry about keeping/acquiring players like Lehkonen.
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Not how I see. I'M more than able to acknowldge win-win. I just want to see the reality of it. Not the perception. Example of win-win...Suzuki for Pacioretty. BOTH teams saw how effective both players are. I'd like to remind people that when the trade happened, some were dissapointed we didn't get Glass instead. That Glass would have been seen more as a ''good trade for both teams''. So the opposite could also occur. It might not look as a good trade by both teams when it happens, and immediately becomes that later on.
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Leky's value hasn't exactly skyrocketed because he plays for the BEST TEAM IN HOCKEY RIGHT NOW.
We had 6 seasons of sample size. He's a great swiss knife but does not move the needle. To get a 1st and a 2nd is still a great return. Do you think GM's don't factor who he plays with in assessing his value now?
We had 6 seasons of sample size. He's a great swiss knife but does not move the needle. To get a 1st and a 2nd is still a great return. Do you think GM's don't factor who he plays with in assessing his value now?
Habs Halifax
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I think he's getting $4M AAV in a short term so why would he do that for 7/8 years? If I was his agent, I would push for $4M for 3 or 4 years and then be a UFA for his early 30's which is decent timing to cash in by playing with a stacked Avs team for several years and also when the cap is going to be much higher than today.
I'd be surprised they get him for 7/8 years at $4M. Might require $5M+ to get that term and the other option is smaller term.
Skyrocket probably not but it's increased for sure. Lehkonen's time with the Habs has to be taken with a grain of salt... Development/maturity years on a team that lacked talent and Lehkonen is now in that critical prime years
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Here's the thing, Lehkonen absolutely moves the needle. We have a large sample size of that. He's just not a core player. And Montreal can't win anything without players who are among the best in the league in their position. And its going to be a while until they're at that point.
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This.
How good will Lehky be at 32? We just don't know.
Better to take our chances with Barron and a 2nd.
Habs Halifax
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I think the $4M AAV is doable if it's 3 or 4 years. if it's 5+ years, the agent starts to talk $4.5 - $5M range.
How good would Lehkonen be on our team? Not going to measure up to what he can do with a better team in the Avs. This trade made sense for both the Habs and Avs.
Getting fair to solid value for a core player like Lehkonen isn't a trade we should be making. Not only is he good/cheap, he also brings leadership/character to a team, that's invaluable. We probably would have been able to lock him up long term @ 3.5M.
For me an overpayment would have been 2 1sts. Personally, i would have traded Anderson.
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Habs Halifax
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Lehkonen won't turn the needle for us after we exit our youth/development years of this rebuild. He will be 30+ and no, you're not going to get Lehkonen at $3.5M for long term. Maybe 3/4 years.
We sold at the right time and Barron was a good add. Go ask Crosby... he knows
If you wanted to keep Lehkonen and sign him for long term, his agent starts to talk Anderson contract. Reality. Absolutely love the way Lehkonen shows up each and every shift but we made a good trade for our future. This was better than fair or solid value.
SirClintonPortis
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Lekhonen has no value for a team that sucks because the little quality role plays here and there are not helping in the grand scheme of things. He also has a shelf life.
We could have made love with many other "character grinders"...oh wait we did with Prust, Moen, etc. I'm sure Ducks and Rangers fans respectively loved them when they were there but accepted why they went elsewhere.
It's like people don't want to believe assets depreciate. I remember Pleks. Always thinking he'd defy the wall. Well the 33 year old wall hit him like a ton of bricks.
We could have made love with many other "character grinders"...oh wait we did with Prust, Moen, etc. I'm sure Ducks and Rangers fans respectively loved them when they were there but accepted why they went elsewhere.
It's like people don't want to believe assets depreciate. I remember Pleks. Always thinking he'd defy the wall. Well the 33 year old wall hit him like a ton of bricks.
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Lehkonen is a much better player than Prust, Moen, etc. ever were.
Say what you want about Smitty, but he is extremely entertaining and wears his heart on his sleeve! Not bad for a 40 year old, a true warrior!
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