Player Discussion Artemi Panarin

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The Rangers need this guy to step up

Panarin wasn’t thrilled when I broached the topic of his happy-go-lucky personality just before the playoffs began and whether it hurts him within his organization. There were rumblings out of the Rangers front office after last year’s Eastern Conference final run that Panarin, who has three years and a full no-move clause left at $11.64-million per on his deal, didn’t live up to his status.

“This is why I have my Nokia,” Panarin told me, referring to his vintage flip phone that he got a couple years ago to avoid reading much of anything on the internet. “They (the people who say I’m not serious enough) are somewhere on the internet. I don’t see them on the streets.”

Panarin had 43 giveaways in last year’s postseason and also delivered the “I can’t be doing stupid s— at the blue line” quip during the second-round series against the Hurricanes when asked what he does differently in the playoffs. So the focus is there. The smile isn’t quite so evident, especially after missing the net high on both a first-period breakaway and that great chance late in the third.

You can’t question his effort. But this is a results league and this time of year, the results matter even more. Panarin could do a lot to silence his doubters with a big Game 4.

Just three more seasons remaining.
 
The Rangers need this guy to step up





Just three more seasons remaining.

Bread vexes me - I often think he’s just taking the piss with that laid-back, cheeky “what, me worry?” shit-eating grin and then you see his stats and wonder if it’s all worth it.

I’m prepared to give him the benefit of one more game.
Just one….
 
I do agree I want more from Panarin but the “more” is only execution. He had 3-4 prime chances to score last game and whiffed. He’s playing a semi-conservative game with very few turnovers and still generated scoring chances. His play itself is fine but Arthur is correct it’s the results.
 
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He has a couple of great chances and didn’t even hit the net. The breakaway was bad, and then he had one on a PP where he had a wide open net and just shanked it.

As deep as the team is, they still need him to perform.
 
From today's NY Post about Panarin:

He ranks fifth in the NHL in points-per game since slipping into the Blueshirt, recording 1.27 per, trailing only slam-dunk Hall-of-Famers Connor McDavid, Leon Draisaitl, Nathan MacKinnon and Nikita Kucherov.

The amount of grief he gets here from some is absurd.
i dont think any rational person would put him on par with those 4 guys while actually watching the games, and all four of those players ROUTINELY drive the slot and the net to open up space for their team around the offensive ice, and none is nearly as bad on the d side of the redline as panarin. there is more to the game then points per.
 
The Rangers need this guy to step up





Just three more seasons remaining.
cant wait to see this guy gone. he has incredible skill but is infuriating with his pond hockey garbage. kane is skating on 1 hip and he regularly makes more intelligent and timely plays without causing the same level of chaos for his team, tank doesnt have anywhere near panarin's raw skill but will generally make the smart play and drive lanes to open space for teammates. panarin's skill should be a wonderful compliment to the rest of the group but it is always treated as the rest of the group complimenting his game. i am just ready to be done with it.

look at the 5v5 stat through the three games and it's just here we go again, being a blackhole at 5v5. his corsi is 34.4 and they have been out attempted on shots by 15 (27vs42) with him on the ice. in the playoffs the top players from each team SHOULD be close to even and potentially canceling each other out. for all the shit we talk about hughes his cf is 60% right now through his first 3 career playoff games along with shot attempts at +4 (33vs29). panarin is a wonderful stat accumulator but is a low level option in the playoffs since he came here, but here's to hoping he has a couple good moments again to help though. again, these stats and figures are all even strength stats which is where most of the concern is.
 
*Looks at his stats since he got here...*

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Bread is as complete as he needs to be. People bitch about his passes that result in turnovers and would love nothing but to neuter his ability to try and make them. Then, when he doesn't put up the numbers he usually does by being a conservative playmaker, those same fans will bitch again. It's really a no win situation for the top moneymakers here. Before Bread and Zib, Jagr was the last one to put up 90+ points in a season literally decades ago. Lol. His playoff performance is also criticized, but he was the one that stamped the win to send us to the second round.

The bitch-fest karma will eventually catch up to us when players like him won't be around to bear the weight of the point production they give the team. Some say our current young bottom 6 is ready to lead the charge. Lol. We as fans are going to get exactly what we're asking for, I tell you that.
you are missing the point, people complain that the passes he makes do NOT need to be as high risk and as prone to turnovers if he wouldnt try to stay to the extreme perimeter all the time and cause his passes to become high risk bc they are longer lateral plays. it is his unwillingness to go into some different areas of the ice to make those passes shorter and less risky. there are absolutely times he is moving to the outside to bait defenders to chase him and run out of position but it becomes habitual and easier to read/game plan for when you see him do it 4-7 consecutive games instead of once every 4 weeks during the ref season. it is a stylistic thing and the way he plays becomes easily defendable when a team sees it with repetition and can actively game plan for it, hence the struggles in the playoffs.
 
On one hand at least he's getting those chances. That wasn't happening last year.

I didn't see the breakaway but I did find a video of the shanked shot. That wasn't as egregious a miss as some made it sound. That would have been a pretty tough tuck.

But they aren't paying him 11.6 to "almost" make things happen.
 
Cup winners have their stars play like Conn Smythe winners. That's why they get the trophy, that's why their teams advance.

2 points in 3 games.

Not cutting it. Simple as that.

He and Zibanejad both. 0 goals.

They need to score, period.

We abandoned a proper rebuild for these guys. They can't be the support players. They need to be the ones scoring or else.

i dont think any rational person would put him on par with those 4 guys while actually watching the games, and all four of those players ROUTINELY drive the slot and the net to open up space for their team around the offensive ice, and none is nearly as bad on the d side of the redline as panarin. there is more to the game then points per.
Plus, uh, MacKinnon has a Cup. Kucherov has a Cup.

And in Edmonton, guess what, they are talking about maybe McDavid or Draisaitl won't stay if the team doesn't win.

Panarin isn't getting treated differently than those guys. He needs to win a Cup or they will move on and find another star to try it with.
 
i dont think any rational person would put him on par with those 4 guys while actually watching the games, and all four of those players ROUTINELY drive the slot and the net to open up space for their team around the offensive ice, and none is nearly as bad on the d side of the redline as panarin. there is more to the game then points per.
And most importantly, none of those 4 players experience a drop in production like this in the playoffs. In fact all 4 can put up Conn Smythe worthy performances.
 
i dont think any rational person would put him on par with those 4 guys while actually watching the games, and all four of those players ROUTINELY drive the slot and the net to open up space for their team around the offensive ice, and none is nearly as bad on the d side of the redline as panarin. there is more to the game then points per.

In the end, producing points is about the most important thing a forward can do.

I'm not saying he's as valuable as them.

I'm saying he's grossly underappreciated by a segment of the fanbase.
 
In the end, producing points is about the most important thing a forward can do.

I'm not saying he's as valuable as them.

I'm saying he's grossly underappreciated by a segment of the fanbase.
if you are a net negative in the playoffs consistently at 5v5 and eating up over 14% of your team's salary cap (as the 2nd or 3rd highest cap player in the league) I dont think that is excusable. I expect more than a pp specialist at that cost.
 
and all of those 4 players blow him out of the water when it comes to Playoff Production.

If Panarin produced at their Playoff rates, there wouldn't be complaining.

Regular season is great.... Playoff production is more important IMO.
 
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Cup winners have their stars play like Conn Smythe winners. That's why they get the trophy, that's why their teams advance.

2 points in 3 games.

Not cutting it. Simple as that.

He and Zibanejad both. 0 goals.

They need to score, period.

We abandoned a proper rebuild for these guys. They can't be the support players. They need to be the ones scoring or else.


Plus, uh, MacKinnon has a Cup. Kucherov has a Cup.

And in Edmonton, guess what, they are talking about maybe McDavid or Draisaitl won't stay if the team doesn't win.

Panarin isn't getting treated differently than those guys. He needs to win a Cup or they will move on and find another star to try it with.
Panarin has played pretty well. Zib has been excellent. The points will come.
 
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if you are a net negative in the playoffs consistently at 5v5 and eating up over 14% of your team's salary cap (as the 2nd or 3rd highest cap player in the league) I dont think that is excusable. I expect more than a pp specialist at that cost.

So, the stat that everyone says is meaningless is now the barometer.

And by the way, he's a plus at the moment in the playoffs..
 
Cup winners have their stars play like Conn Smythe winners. That's why they get the trophy, that's why their teams advance.

2 points in 3 games.

Not cutting it. Simple as that.

He and Zibanejad both. 0 goals.

They need to score, period.

We abandoned a proper rebuild for these guys. They can't be the support players. They need to be the ones scoring or else.


Plus, uh, MacKinnon has a Cup. Kucherov has a Cup.

And in Edmonton, guess what, they are talking about maybe McDavid or Draisaitl won't stay if the team doesn't win.

Panarin isn't getting treated differently than those guys. He needs to win a Cup or they will move on and find another star to try it with.

Goals Conn Smythe winners Production of Conn Smythe winners after 3 games:

4G: Malkin ('09), M. Lemieux ('91)
2G: Ovechkin ('18), Crosby ('16), Zetterberg ('08), Sakic ('96), C. Lemieux ('95)
1G: Crosby ('17), O'Reilly ('19), Richards ('04), Nieuwendyk ('99), M. Lemieux ('91)
0G: Williams ('14), Kane ('13), Toews ('10), Yzerman ('98)

Points:

9P: M. Lemieux ('92)
7P: Malkin ('09)
5P: M. Lemieux ('91), Kane ('13), Crosby ('17)
4P: Yzerman ('98), Sakic ('96), Crosby ('16), Ovechkin ('18)
3P: Richards ('04)
2P: C. Lemieux ('95), Zetterberg ('08)
1P: Nieuwendyk ('99), Toews ('10), O'Reilly ('19)
0P: Williams ('14)
 
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In 2014 the player we paid the most money on the whole team had (in the playoffs) 3 goals in 25 games. The guy brought in for scoring. I blame him for us not winning the cup that year.

Bread has a long way to be worse than that P.O.S.
 
So, the stat that everyone says is meaningless is now the barometer.

And by the way, he's a plus at the moment in the playoffs..
We could go through a list of 5v5 stats that have been a net negative during the playoffs and post season since his first year here. Plus minus has consistently been considered a useless stat going back to the staal and girardi days but if you want to rely on that whichever. Besides that what other metrics back him being a net positive at 5v5? I'm just curious if I'm missing some.
 
Panarin has played pretty well. Zib has been excellent. The points will come.
Will they?

Goals Conn Smythe winners Production of Conn Smythe winners after 3 games:

4G: Malkin ('09), M. Lemieux ('91)
2G: Ovechkin ('18), Crosby ('16), Zetterberg ('08), Sakic ('96), C. Lemieux ('95)
1G: Crosby ('17), O'Reilly ('19), Richards ('04), Nieuwendyk ('99), M. Lemieux ('91)
0G: Williams ('14), Kane ('13), Toews ('10), Yzerman ('98)

Points:

9P: M. Lemieux ('92)
7P: Malkin ('09)
5P: M. Lemieux ('91), Kane ('13), Crosby ('17)
4P: Yzerman ('98), Sakic ('96), Crosby ('16), Ovechkin ('18)
3P: Richards ('04)
2P: C. Lemieux ('95), Zetterberg ('08)
1P: Nieuwendyk ('99), Toews ('10), O'Reilly ('19)
0P: Williams ('14)
Yeah but it gets late early as Yogi Berra used to say.
 

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