Speculation: Artemi Panarin seeking 6 years/$6M-plus per

[Duke749]

Will certainly make it a lot easier for the 'Hawks to stay/become a Cup contender in the future(I say "become" because I think they could have a down year or two by their standardsand will need to find a way to reload somehow).

 

[Benstheman]

Hawks have 58 M$ commited to 6F, 4D, 1G.

If they sign Panarin to say 7M$, they will have 8M$ left (if cap stays the same) to sign 11 players, which is a big problem.

As for the expansion draft, technically, they have to protect Toews, Kane, Hossa, Anisimov, Seabrook, Keith, Hjarlmarsson and Crawford and they will protect Panarin if they don't trade him.

8 players and 1 Goalie.

That left Kruger unprotected that could be a tiny relief cap wise. But Vegas will also have choice of TVR and Panik. So no guarantee Kruger will be picked up.

The other solution is to convince Hossa to a trade or to waive is NMC to go to Vegas.

Personnally, i don't think Chicago can resign Panarin. If they do sign him, they have to trade (or lose to expansion) Kruger AND Hossa.

 

[HawkeyFanatic]

Hawks have 58 M$ commited to 6F, 4D, 1G.

If they sign Panarin to say 7M$, they will have 8M$ left (if cap stays the same) to sign 11 players, which is a big problem.

As for the expansion draft, technically, they have to protect Toews, Kane, Hossa, Anisimov, Seabrook, Keith, Hjarlmarsson and Crawford and they will protect Panarin if they don't trade him.

8 players and 1 Goalie.

That left Kruger unprotected that could be a tiny relief cap wise. But Vegas will also have choice of TVR and Panik. So no guarantee Kruger will be picked up.

The other solution is to convince Hossa to a trade or to waive is NMC to go to Vegas.

Personnally, i don't think Chicago can resign Panarin. If they do sign him, they have to trade (or lose to expansion) Kruger AND Hossa.

That also assumes the cap does not go up even 1$

Not to mention that Chicago usually does fill the roster with players making less than 1M$

It will be tight, as it always is with Chicago and the cap - but I think they make it work.

Kruger is likely the next player our however.

As for Hossa - at some point something is going to have to give with him. Do they trade him to Arizona with a pick? We'll see...

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

If that is what he wants ,, Pay the man!

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Stranger things have happen. We've trade in the pacific division for Christ sakes for Bonino. So the western / eastern conference holding weight as unsuitable trade partners due to conference really shouldn't be evaluated that highly IMO

Yeah trading Nick Bonino in division is a hell of a lot different then trading a guy like Panarin in division

 

[Benstheman]

That also assumes the cap does not go up even 1$

Not to mention that Chicago usually does fill the roster with players making less than 1M$

It will be tight, as it always is with Chicago and the cap - but I think they make it work.

Kruger is likely the next player our however.

As for Hossa - at some point something is going to have to give with him. Do they trade him to Arizona with a pick? We'll see...

I know but 11?? that's alot of plugs for 1 team.

 

[TOGuy14]

Everyone is focussed on the "6M" portion of the statement saying its a slam dunk and CHI should sign it, but they are missing out on the "6M PLUS" part

With another strong season I can see him easily commanding in the 7M range.

 

[Satan]

Imagine committing over 60% (45M) of your cap to six players. It's not feasible.

 

[Esq]

Key is to get it done without a NTC / NMC. If the Hawks are crunched on cap in a few years, absent a huge drop off in play, there will be no shortage of teams lining up to trade for him.

 

[Esq]

Everyone is focussed on the "6M" portion of the statement saying its a slam dunk and CHI should sign it, but they are missing out on the "6M PLUS" part

With another strong season I can see him easily commanding in the 7M range.

What he's seeking is his opening negotiating position. If Bowman has any negotiating skills at all, the actual number will be lower.

 

[topnotch]

I know but 11?? that's alot of plugs for 1 team.

The team currently has 12 players signed under 900K. And they aren't scrubs. Most are prospects that have NHL potential, not star potential but can be successful bottom 6 and third pairing potential. There are also veterans who are willing to sign for cheap to play for the Hawks.

 

[topnotch]

Key is to get it done without a NTC / NMC. If the Hawks are crunched on cap in a few years, absent a huge drop off in play, there will be no shortage of teams lining up to trade for him.

The first two years he can't have a NTC or a NMC because he will not have reached the UFA-level age or NHL experience.

 

[DarthProbert]

Hawks are already a one and a half line team. Prospect cupboard is thin. Top picks have been traded away for rentals. Hossa's inevitably going to decline sooner than later. If Panarin isn't traded at the peak of his value, where else is badly needed depth supposed to come from?

 

[kasper11]

Everyone is focussed on the "6M" portion of the statement saying its a slam dunk and CHI should sign it, but they are missing out on the "6M PLUS" part

With another strong season I can see him easily commanding in the 7M range.

If he has another strong season, the number definitely goes up. But, that is why he is asking for $6M now. There is risk on both sides.

The Hawks would be risking last year being a fluke. It happens. There are players that have had great seasons they couldn't repeat.

Panarin would be risking putting up similar or better numbers which could lead to a $7.5-8M contract.

OTOH, if he doesn't sign now, Panarin risks struggling or, worse, serious injury which would mean he never gets the big payday. Meanwhile, the Hawks would be risking the price going up.

$6M seems like a fair deal for both sides right now.

As to the Cap, I think we can expect another small increase next year. The Hawks can probably fit in $6M for Panarin, although it would be tight.

 

[topnotch]

Hawks are already a one and a half line team. Prospect cupboard is thin. Top picks have been traded away for rentals. Hossa's inevitably going to decline sooner than later. If Panarin isn't traded at the peak of his value, where else is badly needed depth supposed to come from?

The Hawks have Pokka, Motte, Schmaltz, Forsling, and Hinostroza who all have NHL potential, some who could be good secondary players.

The Hawks have also been able to sign veterans to cheap deals (Campbell, Desjardins) and find non-drafted free agents (Panarin, Kempny, Gustafsson)

 

[LondonKendrick]

Nice to see someone not demand 8 x 8 for one good year, good ol Russian kids

 

[goldenbladz1]

The Hawks have Pokka, Motte, Schmaltz, Forsling, and Hinostroza who all have NHL potential, some who could be good secondary players.

The Hawks have also been able to sign veterans to cheap deals (Campbell, Desjardins) and find non-drafted free agents (Panarin, Kempny, Gustafsson)

you are so right and other free agents like undrafted Fortin who looks like a keeper

 

[yababy]

If he has a repeat year, he could easily ask for 7-7.5 ala Tarasanko.

Why do posters keep quoting Tarasenko for hockey markets that don't need a player to sell tickets? Tarasenko is a big marketing tool in St. Louis and his contract has some $ built in for this. Calgary and Chicago don't need Gaudreau or Panarin to sell tickets, jerseys etc.

 

[yababy]

You tell Johnny to take notes, then admit it's "ludicrous underpayment?"

Two areas where JG and AP differ:

1) Johnny is more proven (as mentioned by a previous poster), as well as the main offensive cog for the Flames (vs Panarin being more of a support player for the Hawks).

2) There is much more incentive for Panarin to take a paycut - play opposite Kane, play for a contender.

Johnny is the driver in Calgary. Panarin holds out and the Hawks are still a playoff team and contender. Johnny holds out, and the Flames are bottom 5.

Lol
Flames were bottom 5 last year WITH Johnny

 

[nikyc]

If they leave Crawford unprotected and see what Darling can actually do their problem may solve itself.

 

[Esq]

If they leave Crawford unprotected and see what Darling can actually do their problem may solve itself.

not likely

 

[HOPE]

Bergevin is a wannabe hawks, its time to act!!

Panarin - galchenyuk - radulov

Make it happen

 

[mouser]

The Hawks will get hammered with a cap penalty if he does, because of the circumstances of Hossa's contract. The only way they can avoid it is if the Hawks trade Hossa and that team buys him out. Hossa must then remain UFA without retiring for the next 4-5 years so the Hawks can avoid it.

It's not even clear the Hawks would escape a recapture penalty if Hossa were to be traded and bought out by another team.

That situation hasn't happened yet in the league, so we don't have a precedent on how it would be handled.

 

[mikee]

If they leave Crawford unprotected and see what Darling can actually do their problem may solve itself.

Besides the fact that he has a NMC that there is no way he would waive to be eligible for the expansion draft, Crawford is one of the few vets on the team that is actually worth every penny of his contract. He is not going anywhere.

 

[rynryn]

However small the chance, if he regressed the Hawks would be in really bad shape for years. Everything has worked out for them so far though.