Speculation: Artemi Panarin seeking 6 years/$6M-plus per

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Yeah. MTL can afford him with their 1 dollar 50 cent of unused cap. :sarcasm:

Arizona should be interested.
Toronto should be looking hard at him. Fits their needs and age range.
He's exactly what the Ducks need, but out of their price range unless they can dump some cap.
Hard to imagine the Hawks letting him go.

You realize the Habs are going to have nearly $25-million cap space next summer (as is), right? And that Panarin is an FA next summer...

It probably won't happen anyways, but the Habs will surely have the cap next summer and the only notables who could have their contracts renewed are Radulov, Galchenyuk, Markov and Beaulieu (who shouldn't command too much if he doesn't break out).
 

BatVader

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You realize the Habs are going to have nearly $25-million cap space next summer (as is), right? And that Panarin is an FA next summer...

It probably won't happen anyways, but the Habs will surely have the cap next summer and the only notables who could have their contracts renewed are Radulov, Galchenyuk, Markov and Beaulieu (who shouldn't command too much if he doesn't break out).

And Price and Pacioretty are up in a couple yrs and both will want big money.
 

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That's cheap for teams with cap space. I'd trade marner for him. Hawks get a skilled winger with an entry level contract and leafs get an amazing player for Matthews.
 

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Pretty sure this is Marian Hossa's last season with the Hawks. Hes getting bought out.

The Hawks will get hammered with a cap penalty if he does, because of the circumstances of Hossa's contract. The only way they can avoid it is if the Hawks trade Hossa and that team buys him out. Hossa must then remain UFA without retiring for the next 4-5 years so the Hawks can avoid it.
 

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As long as the players use their 5% escalator, and they always do it will never drop

Unless the league's revenues actually drop year over year, enough so that even with the 5% escalator the cap number drops.

Even recently, the cap is stagnant is because revenue isn't actually increasing, and players are losing more and more dollars to escrow.

It comes down to whether or not you trust that everything is fine and things will only ever get better. Which I wouldn't believe, and Stan Bowman shouldn't believe because he's a smart guy who can work numbers projections well.

The Blackhawks have actually gotten to a point where you could argue their most overpaid players are either franchise players or part of the core. If you aren't going to move the likes of Panarin, you're going to have to move the likes of Kruger, Seabrook or Hossa.
 

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Love to see em on the ducks. Once we get rolled on by Coyotes tonight I hope Murray puts in a phone call.
 

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Yeah. MTL can afford him with their 1 dollar 50 cent of unused cap. :sarcasm:

Arizona should be interested.
Toronto should be looking hard at him. Fits their needs and age range.
He's exactly what the Ducks need, but out of their price range unless they can dump some cap.
Hard to imagine the Hawks letting him go.

Would be a hell of a support piece for Mathews
 

Bfreezy40

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They currently have $15m in space next season, if they signed him for $6m they would have to fill out 10 spots with $9m.

Would have to move one of Seabrook or Hossa to get a good team in.

Hossa i'd see them moving before Seabrook they are primed for more cup runs... Plus the hawks win the cup every other year the last 6 years... So we know where its gonna go this year!
 

LEAFANFORLIFE23

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Unless the league's revenues actually drop year over year, enough so that even with the 5% escalator the cap number drops.

Even recently, the cap is stagnant is because revenue isn't actually increasing, and players are losing more and more dollars to escrow.

It comes down to whether or not you trust that everything is fine and things will only ever get better. Which I wouldn't believe, and Stan Bowman shouldn't believe because he's a smart guy who can work numbers projections well.

The Blackhawks have actually gotten to a point where you could argue their most overpaid players are either franchise players or part of the core. If you aren't going to move the likes of Panarin, you're going to have to move the likes of Kruger, Seabrook or Hossa.

Then you move Kruger even if you have to include a pick
 

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The Hawks aren't trading Panarin this year, and if they had to it wouldn't be to a western conference contender.

Stranger things have happen. We've trade in the pacific division for Christ sakes for Bonino. So the western / eastern conference holding weight as unsuitable trade partners due to conference really shouldn't be evaluated that highly IMO
 

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Stranger things have happen. We've trade in the pacific division for Christ sakes for Bonino. So the western / eastern conference holding weight as unsuitable trade partners due to conference really shouldn't be evaluated that highly IMO
Maybe for the Ducks, but Bowman rarely trades in conference unless he has no other options. And for Panarin, there will be other options.

Really though, the Hawks should be able to make $6M work so he probably won't be traded at all.
 

topnotch

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They aren't going to sign him to that. They will trade him for more draft picks and/or cost controlled RFA players and continue their cycle of surrounding their core with new fresh affordable players.

The cap isn't going up. It might even go down next year. After filling out their roster with 23 players CHI has around 2M of space this season. This is huge for them as it will cover a big chunk of Panarin's performance bonus, but they'll still be hit with more than 500k of it in overages next year. There's almost NO money coming off the books from CHI. About 800k if they replace Brian Campbell with a player on a 2 way contract. But when you consider the cap overage from Panarin's bonus, that savings is cancelled out almost entirely. So next year, after filling out their roster with a bunch of two way players they have about the same thing amount of cap space as this year assuming the cap doesn't go down, 2M in space. Panarin makes 800k as a base this year. That leave CHI still over 3M short.

In order to afford giving Panarin a bump up to 6M, they'd have to move someone making 4M or more (when figuring the cost of a replacement body at 800k for the player moved). I guess they could trade Crawford and go with Darling, but are they really going to take that risk after Crawford has provided them with stable post season goaltending through multiple cup runs?

With Panarin being as valuable as he is going to be on the trade market, I can't see them not trading him for a laundry list of useful pieces, similar to what they did when they sent Saad to CBJ. The only way they have cap space to extend him is if they get rid of one of their current core guys or if they "luck" (as awful as that is to say) into a declining Hossa getting a career ending injury and being able to get put on LTIR.

You should go back and check the cap numbers again.

Chicago has a 3.07 mil bonus overage for last year which will be removed. The Hawks are retaining 1.125 mil of Rob Scuderi's cap hit which will be removed. Panarin is already costing .8125 mil on the cap this season.

3.07 + 1.125 + 0.8125 = 5 million

If Panarin's asking price is 6 million, the Hawks need to find 1 million to fit him in. The current team is 2.5 million below the current cap - and that includes the 3 mil bonus overage from last year. So even if Panarin hits his 2.5 mil B bonuses, the majority of it won't be an overage provided that the Hawks don't use that cap space on another player.

Let's look at it a different way. The Hawks have 11 players signed and 15 million in cap space for next year, if the cap stays at 73 million. If Panarin is signed for 6 million they Hawks will need to fit in 10 players within 9 million cap dollars. Difficult but certainly doable considering they will be filling out bottom 6 forwards and 5-7 defensemen.

Another possibility is Kruger leaving via the expansion draft or through trade.

The point is 6 million is very doable for the Hawks and, if this rumor is true, for Panarin.
 

rynryn

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oh jesus please stop saying bread man.

he's only played one year but that would be a risk worth taking. no nmc though.
 

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Panarin @ 6M per year puts the Hawks at 62.4M for their 10 'name' players, so to speak.

Take out Kruger (expansion draft, perhaps) and you're at about 59.3M on 9 players.

That leaves something in the range of 13.7M (give or take with the cap changes) to fill out the remaining 13 to 14 roster spots.

It's basically the same situation they've been in repeatedly over the past few years. 2/3rds of the team is making next to nothing, chipping in where they can, while the top guys carry the load and get paid handsomely for it. It's not really a question of if they can sign Panarin. The space and flexibility will be there next season. The question is if it's still the right strategy for them?

Keith was 26 when they won their first Cup, and has arguably been their most critical player for this whole run. He's 33 now. Hossa is 37. The Central is stacked as is and a team like Winnipeg is loading up with young talent ready to jump into the mix, too. Panarin obviously helps keep the Hawks youthful, but he'd also bring in a really substantial return in a trade that might help build some much needed depth (depth that they weren't really able to acquire and/or keep in the Saad and Sharp trades). That could come in handy when the guys making major money can't carry the team like they could over the last 5 years.
 

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Why would they wait and not do this right now? Maybe they aren't allowed to, I don't know the rules.

Who does Chicago have coming off the books next year? Anybody noteworthy. Also curious how much longer Hossa has on his contract.
 

LeapOnOver

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Panarin @ 6M per year puts the Hawks at 62.4M for their 10 'name' players, so to speak.

Take out Kruger (expansion draft, perhaps) and you're at about 59.3M on 9 players.

That leaves something in the range of 13.7M (give or take with the cap changes) to fill out the remaining 13 to 14 roster spots.

It's basically the same situation they've been in repeatedly over the past few years. 2/3rds of the team is making next to nothing, chipping in where they can, while the top guys carry the load and get paid handsomely for it. It's not really a question of if they can sign Panarin. The space and flexibility will be there next season. The question is if it's still the right strategy for them?

Keith was 26 when they won their first Cup, and has arguably been their most critical player for this whole run. He's 33 now. Hossa is 37. The Central is stacked as is and a team like Winnipeg is loading up with young talent ready to jump into the mix, too. Panarin obviously helps keep the Hawks youthful, but he'd also bring in a really substantial return in a trade that might help build some much needed depth (depth that they weren't really able to acquire and/or keep in the Saad and Sharp trades). That could come in handy when the guys making major money can't carry the team like they could over the last 5 years.

Who are the Hawks going to be exposing at the expansion draft in your opinion?
 

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