Player Discussion Artem Zub (D) Part 2 [Extended 4 years @ $4.6M]
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So what you are saying is the Zub should have been signed for 8 years at $6 million per???
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Mornings Hour 2
Simmer and JR get into a Debate on the Zub contract. About 12:50 in. I am in full agreement with Simmer on this
Simmer and JR get into a Debate on the Zub contract. About 12:50 in. I am in full agreement with Simmer on this
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DaveMatthew
Bring in Peter
Simpson went way overboard.
Is it a perfect contract? No. Is it “terrible”? That’s ridiculous. Having a top 4 defenseman locked in at 2.5M for the next two seasons is in no way terrible.
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Some of Simmers points are good.
Zub is a top 4 D .. very good defensively. What's the Sens biggest need even with Zub... most say a top 4 D.
2 years walks a top 4 D to UFA at 27.
Sens likely make the playoffs that year (at least they are on track to).. so no new deal done.. Zub is free .. they's keep him for the playoffs.
Suggesting 2 years is good because of JBD and Thomson coming as top 4 D in that 2 years again they are being forseen to replace Zub in 2 years .. Realistic? .. Zub going to stagnate?
Pick any number 1 thru 5 ..2 is the worst imo.
Zub wanted 2 years.. ok .. grind it out over the spring/summer see if you can get more..
Who evaluates Zub as a replaceable D in 2 years
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no way they move on from Zub in 2 years if he continues playing the way he has. At that point Zaitsev will be 31 and with 1 year left on his contract can be easily moved to make room for Zub’s raise
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No way ? Pending UFA will require a negotiation and the Sens will have to pay him market value .. we get into the whole bonus structures; AAV , term, movement clauses .. We've seen some UFAs we apparently gave fair offers to before and wanted to sign .. go elsewhere
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2 year deal is fine as long as they spend the money in the next three off seasons. Short term gives the team flexibility moving forward and a lot of young players will need contracts over these next three off seasons. If Zub is the cost of signing players like Stutzle and Norris to longer term deals than so be it. If things go to plan and the D is being lead by Chabot and Sanderson, it would be easier to replace him.
It happens but the issue for me is if we can't resign him we most likely get nothing for him as we should be competing for the playoffs so won't be looking to trade him to a contender.
I am hopeful if he plays well again next season we look to extend him before the 2nd year of his contract begins.
I am hopeful if he plays well again next season we look to extend him before the 2nd year of his contract begins.
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I was hoping for a longer deal, but man, the 2023 Zub contract re-negotiation is not keeping me up at night. Some people need to chill lol.
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We probably tried for 4 years at 3.5 per and were told no. I don't blame Zub's agent either, he's not dumb, he saw what we saw and that's a top 4 righty right now, nevermind in 2 years. And he also saw $$ signs.
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I like this. Zub shows he's top 4 through next year and we extend him at 4.5 M x 4 years, trade Zaitsev on his last year assuming he's had a major decline but if he's still a decent 18-20min RHD, we keep him through as he would contribute to the playoffs. Really not hard to navigate that one.
I think it's becoming evident and PD just doesn't know how to spin the story properly. Overhypes prospects instead of just telling us face value that EM wants to see more before he commits $, and that he wants to put up the young guns that PD has been pumping up in 2 years if they can be cheap equivalents, plus Zub only wanting to go to UFA anyways for his pay day and pick ko fthe litter.
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1 year he's an RFA . 2 years UFA
Sens have control as an RFA and a built in opportunity to extend..
There is no built in opportunity to extend as a UFA giving the player more control.
Not saying Zub would agree to longer than 1 additional year, but the opportunity is baked in as an RFA
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Could be .. there was no rush to sign him to 2 a day after the exit interviews .. If Dorion saw him as part of our top 4 .. I would think he keeps trying to grind out negotiations over the summer
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It's funny how the comparable to Zub is Marc Methot, who, was basically in the exact same situation.
When we traded for him, Methot was on a contract that took him directly to UFA. Guess what happened? In February of his last year, we extended him.
If Zub really is a top-4 guy (he's only played 40 games in the NHL, in a very irregular year, so let's hold off on the hype train), and proves it over the next 1.5 years. we can re-sign him!
I know everyone feels burned by Stone and Duchene, but those were completely different situations and circumstances.
When we traded for him, Methot was on a contract that took him directly to UFA. Guess what happened? In February of his last year, we extended him.
If Zub really is a top-4 guy (he's only played 40 games in the NHL, in a very irregular year, so let's hold off on the hype train), and proves it over the next 1.5 years. we can re-sign him!
I know everyone feels burned by Stone and Duchene, but those were completely different situations and circumstances.
Zubov was not a good skater , just average. I think Zub is so much better. But they do share the same hockey IQ. This organization has to give Zub PP time. I does not make any sense at all. To waste a talent like this. The only thing they did not give him any PP time is to save pennies. This organization blows beach balls. Disgusting. I think Zub even can do better the clinic Zubov displayed here.
He would have had arb rights next year. I honestly think it will be easier to extend without having to deal with a possible arb hearing.
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The opportunity to extend happens after the first year of a 2 year contract. With a 1 year contract, it only happens after January in the contract year. There is very little difference there except the team has cost certainty for that second year. Plus, with COVID uncertainty, you can delay a significant portion of the salary to the second year of the contract.
If Zub wants to stay, he'll get to decide next summer either way.
Great contract to figure out what we have in Zub. He may be a good top 4 D-man but he also played one game beside Thomas Chabot this year and looked awful. If he really is that good and he wants to be a senator than we can extend him next summer for what he's worth. I would rather have 18 players on fair contracts than 1 bad contract.
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I think we should trade him next season or offseason, unless we can extend him
Losing players for nothing is how you get poorer. Not what you want to do.
Ball is going to be in Zub's court though
It's all about leverage
Losing players for nothing is how you get poorer. Not what you want to do.
Ball is going to be in Zub's court though
It's all about leverage
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