Around the NHL XXXIX

[BondraTime]

Carcillo looks like a moron now with Red Deer coming out and stating that none of the individuals in the rookie party photo shared by Carcillo have ever even been apart of the Red Deer organisation.

 

[BonkTastic]

Well, this just got released:

 

[Six Assets]

Well, this just got released to the public:

Yikes

 

[Boud]

Well, this just got released:

He's done.

I'm not sure how pointing out that this happened a decade ago is a good idea in itself, it's like he's saying it to somehow diminish what he did. Own up to it.

And besides this doesn't address the situation with the Canes that happened in the last few years where he was hitting players.

This guy is a straight dirt bag, he'll learn by losing his job. Everyone feels bad when they get caught or exposed.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

Well, this just got released:

Poor attempt at damage control. He isn't sorry at all.

 

[HavlatMach9]

No disrespect was meant hmm

It's confirmation that events occurred, so I guess he'll get fired. Interesting that we got a letter addressed to the Flames GM. I wonder if it was meant for the public.

 

[stempniaksen]

No disrespect was meant hmm

It's confirmation that events occurred, so I guess he'll get fired. Interesting that we got a letter addressed to the Flames GM. I wonder if it was meant for the public.

It's a statement crafted as a letter, it was released to two media members/outlets as well.

 

[Tighthead]

It's a statement crafted as a letter, it was released to two media members/outlets as well.

I hate open letters, I find them fundamentally disingenuous. Just issue a statement if it’s for public consumption.

In this case it seems more like CYA than transparency.

 

[Tuna99]

Peters is a donkey, the fact the Flames haven’t even suspended Peters is an indication of how lost AHL/ NHL hockey culture is when it comes to racism. Every work place in the world would suspend or fire this guy, NHL can’t even tie its own shoes on this

 

[Tuna99]

Hockey Canada defending the name of the Sutters after they were called out, this is why Joe Pa and all these coaches need to be taken down a peg, they aren’t institutions, they’re just people coaching.

Hockey Canada with a severe black eye today, can’t believe they didn’t react to complaints because they didn’t want to upset the Sutters, that’s institutional BS at the highest level

 

[FormentonTheFuture]

Hockey Canada defending the name of the Sutters after they were called out, this is why Joe Pa and all these coaches need to be taken down a peg, they aren’t institutions, they’re just people coaching.

Hockey Canada with a severe black eye today, can’t believe they didn’t react to complaints because they didn’t want to upset the Sutters, that’s institutional BS at the highest level

What is the black eye? I’m lost.

 

[Qward]

How do you fire him? I mean legally.
What happened was 10 years ago and with a whole other organization (AHL)

 

[Icelevel]

How do you fire him? I mean legally.
What happened was 10 years ago and with a whole other organization (AHL)

They can fire him for whatever. Team is playing well.

 

[Micklebot]

It's All Your Fault: Here's What's Happening With Kyle Turris

Looks like Turris has gone the way of Boedker and Ryan in Nashville.

I was laughed at when I said the Turris contract would be worse than Bobby Ryan's. He's only on year 2 of this 6x6 deal. At least Ryan is much closer to the end of his contract before getting perma-scratched.

Did you even listen to the segment you linked or are you just reacting to the sensationalist headline?

They suggested he's probably out because they might be trying to trade him (and don't want him to get injured before getting the trade done), or he might have an injury.

They talked about how because of Duchene and Johanson, there's no natural position for Turris on the team, and said he was playing really well before getting sat, the host even said while he thought he should be traded before the season but changed his mind after seeing how he was playing. Mentioned he's not practicing with the team and that suggests there's an internal problem in the locker room or a trade rather than performance.

How is this evidence that at all going the way of Boedker or Ryan? If anything it's the exact opposite.

 

[Qward]

They can fire him for whatever. Team is playing well.

But he can turn around and say the real reason they fired him was over this incident. A lawyer would have a field day with it.

 

[BatherSeason]

I think you're overthinking it.

Calgary doesn't care if people make Peters out to be a martyr. Calgary looks horrid right now, much like Toronto did before they fired Babcock. Now they have two reasons to fire him.

I obviously wasn't overthinking it as this is exactly what is going on.

 

[BonkTastic]

the fact the Flames haven’t even suspended Peters is an indication of how lost AHL/ NHL hockey culture is when it comes to racism.

I don't know, man... They removed him as coach while investigating the issue. He's been replaced by Geoff Ward until the Flames have conducted their internal investigation.

That's a suspension as far as I'm concerned.

 

[BonkTastic]

Did you even listen to the segment you linked or are you just reacting to the sensationalist headline?

They suggested he's probably out because they might be trying to trade him (and don't want him to get injured before getting the trade done), or he might have an injury.

They talked about how because of Duchene and Johanson, there's no natural position for Turris on the team, and said he was playing really well before getting sat, the host even said while he thought he should be traded before the season but changed his mind after seeing how he was playing. Mentioned he's not practicing with the team and that suggests there's an internal problem in the locker room or a trade rather than performance.

How is this evidence that at all going the way of Boedker or Ryan? If anything it's the exact opposite.

How dare you make a rational, well thought out argument that uses evidence and context.

Heretic!

 

[Rand0m]

With these abusive coach stories coming out, I’m guessing Marc Crawford must be getting nervous...

I’ve always found rookie hazing so stupid. I’m thankful then in my years of playing minor hockey and baseball that the worst I had to go through is getting my head shaved. Otherwise it was mostly just the rookies who’d get shitty “tasks” like picking up equipment or cleaning up the room, i never witnessed anything really bad. I had however heard horror stories from some of the younger assistant coaches (often early 20’s). Luckily, they hated these experiences so much they mostly refused to let anything bad happen.

 

[Micklebot]

But he can turn around and say the real reason they fired him was over this incident. A lawyer would have a field day with it.

Are suggesting he would be fired and no longer paid? Typically coaches are relieved of duties rather than fired per say. There is no repercussions for a coach getting relieved of duties while continuing to receive a pay check to my knowledge. Whether the official reason is performance based or PR based, teams have a right to shuffle him out of the locker room.

 

[FormentonTheFuture]

How do you fire him? I mean legally.
What happened was 10 years ago and with a whole other organization (AHL)

You can legally fire him for anything, because firing him means you still have to pay his contract in full. They are likely seeing if he can be terminated without pay.

 

[FormentonTheFuture]

With these abusive coach stories coming out, I’m guessing Marc Crawford must be getting nervous...

I’ve always found rookie hazing so stupid. I’m thankful then in my years of playing minor hockey and baseball that the worst I had to go through is getting my head shaved. Otherwise it was mostly just the rookies who’d get ****ty “tasks” like picking up equipment or cleaning up the room, i never witnessed anything really bad. I had however heard horror stories from some of the younger assistant coaches (often early 20’s). Luckily, they hated these experiences so much they mostly refused to let anything bad happen.

I don't think so, people have already said things about him before so it's not a secret or anything.

 

[Tighthead]

How do you fire him? I mean legally.
What happened was 10 years ago and with a whole other organization (AHL)

You don’t need cause to fire coaches unless you are trying to void their contract.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

You don’t need cause to fire coaches unless you are trying to void their contract.

According the lawyer fellow on TSN1200, you can fire a coach for almost anything. If you fire him "for cause" you get to not pay him and that is likely what is taking time to figure out. He suggested that they'll likely settle and pay him 50% of what is left to be paid.

 

[Qward]

Are suggesting he would be fired and no longer paid? Typically coaches are relieved of duties rather than fired per say. There is no repercussions for a coach getting relieved of duties while continuing to receive a pay check to my knowledge. Whether the official reason is performance based or PR based, teams have a right to shuffle him out of the locker room.

I will try to explain my thoughts this way.

Your team sucks.
You get let go as coach. The team has to pay your contract. Maybe a year or two later a couple teams interview you about coaching. This is what we are used to. Coaches never sue over this stuff because that is the nature of the business. They all know this, you can look at Jaque Martins divorce papers to confirm that.

However, if you are fired for something you said a long time ago for a different organization and this is all made out in the public, regardless of how much is left on your contract, you are not getting another offer from another club down the road. Your name is mud now. Could he sue based on loss of future revenue? Could he name the NHL in the suit? How about the player? He admits he called the music a racial slur, but did he call the player one? As a result of the players tweet it looks like he will never coach again.

Again, I am not defending him. I am just curious to see how this all plays out.