Around the NHL XXXIX

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

To add to my other post, if anything, this whole thing highlights how everyone around here measures the performance of players as some sort of referendum on the GM. Hoffman is playing much better than Boedker, therefore, Boedker must be the worst player ever and needs to be put down all the time. Tierney and DeMelo? Both have been very steady and consistent players for us, yet everyone is trying to run them out of town because we got them for Karlsson. and so on....

If I may... You could perceive it that way, but it's not always the bias correlation you assume and while there's been plenty of this, there's also some solid arguments against these guys when you account for factors beyond just on ice performance. Role players get shuffled in and out of rosters all the time for various reasons.

From an Ottawa Senators perspective, building the roster needs to account for the extremely limited budget available and a lot of foresight is required. That starts now and they really don't have room for any long term mistakes, because they can't really afford to clean any of them up. Perfection is needed from a contracts perspective if there's any hope of a contending roster in Ottawa at some point and that's unfortunately the burden Dorion has over his head.

Tierney and Demelo may be getting "run out of town", simply because they have contract pressure points coming up, and the budget is extremely limited as it's always been. Quality players will be shuffled out at some point regardless who it ends up being, even guys that actually move the needle significantly. Sacrifices will need to be made all over the roster, and sometimes you just have to make tough choices. If we don't move on from Tierney, maybe that means no room for Pageau in the budget or role on the team. There's nothing wrong with being choosy with who you want money and term committed to and wanting to preserve the budget, even potentially moving quality players you would keep otherwise to do so. Cap teams don't even have the luxury of keeping everyone, let alone a team putting out 70% give or take that other teams do. Not knowing their demands makes it difficult to truly assess, but if I were faced with 4x4 for Tierney or Pageau today, I would say we only have room for one and that's Pageau hands down imho. I don't see that as a bias, it's just a matter of how to build the team.

 

[BonkTastic]

I think more highly of Boedker than most around here, and think lower of Turris than most around here.

I'd say that's a bit of an understatement, but regardless - it's probably the most accurate thing you've said regarding either player over the past couple of days, to be sure.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

In buffalo what he did wasn't a criminal offense, but it could and likely would fall under section 271 of the criminal code of Canada had it occurred here, so it's not so much tone deaf as complete miss-characterization of the degree of seriousness of the offense.

Anyways, I don't think we really need to re-litigate the handling of Randy Lee. There were many threads on that topic, and they have likely all been locked by this point for a good reason.

And what Bill Peters said to Aliu might necessarily not be a crime in the US either.

Handling sensitive issues like these by pointing out whether they're crimes or not sets a pretty shitty culture for the organization.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Legal Q&A: Flames Coach Bill Peters And His Alleged Uttering Of The N-Word

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Sadly there are a quite a few people some how excusing or making light of the behavior

There are some things that are just plain wrong . full stop.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

Maybe true, but they aren’t handling it well.

I think the Sens thought they had a my word vs your word case, the Peters case is open and shut. Even Rod Brind D’amour who has about as much credibility a person can have said Peters is this guy.

To me a coach is also way more high profile then an asst GM. Way bigger in your community.

And Randy ‘Rick’ Lee doesn’t have a 10 year history of abusing people, that we know of.

But how fast things have changed. Last year when this happened all the radio guys came to Lees defence, that’s what institutional power does, it makes people who seem sane vouch for someone without any information or reason, they just like him so cast doubt on the incident to discredit the kid and keep Randy working, seems stupid now to do this, and that was only a year ago. How fast things have changed in hockey

These incidents show exactly why so many victims never come forward. The power dynamic and ability of an organization to circle the wagons and go after a no-name person makes it damned near impossible for most folks to even think of trying to receive any kind of justice. And it allows this cycle of behavior to continue over and over. Not just within hockey, but in society in general.

Anyways, not to stray all off topic here. Bringing it back to hockey, perhaps it's time for a much more stringent code of conduct for all employees in the sport. We want hockey to be a positive experience for everyone involved.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

These incidents show exactly why so many victims never come forward. The power dynamic and ability of an organization to circle the wagons and go after a no-name person makes it damned near impossible for most folks to even think of trying to receive any kind of justice. And it allows this cycle of behavior to continue over and over. Not just within hockey, but in society in general.

Anyways, not to stray all off topic here. Bringing it back to hockey, perhaps it's time for a much more stringent code of conduct for all employees in the sport. We want hockey to be a positive experience for everyone involved.

I'd be against a strict code honestly: unfortunately when you create a system you also give a lot of power to the people who find ways to game it and those people tend to be scum (think of how often you are faced with "we all know something awful went down but no rules were actually broken" situations).

Everything is going "well": a racist asshole was called out and we are seeing it being dealt with. We can't prevent racist assholes, we just need to make sure they are called out, shunned, shamed and humiliated. What needed to change was the willingness to actually confront the problem instead of protecting the biggots.

I think it is better to let the issue resolve itself in an organic manner and understand that the solution is to fight back when it is appropriate; not coming up with a heavy handed system to try and prevent these problems, it won't work and will create a slew of new problems.

 

[swiftwin]

Can the Flames hurry up and fire this clown? I want my $220

 

[BatherSeason]

What's wrong with Carey Price?

 

[Do Make Say Think]

What's wrong with Carey Price?

It is more on the D than him I think. He has been subpar for sure but their defensive game is very weak.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

What's wrong with Carey Price?

Traded to Toronto for Ceci and picks? ..

 

[Qward]

I posted this on the main boards.
Sens active roster :$39,205,832
IR/SOIR/NHLPA player assistance/buyout: $37,697,715

 

[Micklebot]

I posted this on the main boards.
Sens active roster :$39,205,832
IR/SOIR/NHLPA player assistance/buyout: $37,697,715

Bonuses paid by other teams:

Active roster
C.Brown .5 mil
Zaitsev 3 mil

IR
Anisimov 2 mil

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Sadly there are a quite a few people some how excusing or making light of the behavior

There are some things that are just plain wrong . full stop.

lol this is one of the worst posts I've ever seen (the text, not your post pointing it out)

I don't post on any type of social media besides here, but the dogshit replies I've seen to some Instagram/twitter threads about this situation have got me precariously close. "It was 10 yrs ago" "its just a word" "how can you fire someone just because they dislike music" "we've all done worse than that at one time or another!"

But the one you posted... is the worst

 

[Six Assets]

Can the Flames hurry up and fire this clown? I want my $220

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congrats

 

[coladin]

Peters...he gone. There really was no way for him to survive this, and now the slippery slope will be something to watch

 

[Silencio]

Can the Flames hurry up and fire this clown? I want my $220

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Have fun spending your Black Friday winnings!

 

[coladin]

Maybe a little unfair, but what Treliving pulled off , I could not see Dorion pull off. He was excellent throughout the whole process, not rushing his own process to satisfy social media outrage as well as the usual print/radio/tv media. Dorion may have fainted during questions, or simply not answered any

 

[BonkTastic]

congrats

I like that the bet was "leave his position" and not "fired", since Peters resigned and wasn't fired.

The ambiguous wording definitely helped win the bet. Gotta love it when betting lines make mistakes like that.

 

[NyQuil]

Maybe a little unfair, but what Treliving pulled off , I could not see Dorion pull off. He was excellent throughout the whole process, not rushing his own process to satisfy social media outrage as well as the usual print/radio/tv media. Dorion may have fainted during questions, or simply not answered any

Do you support your head coach, Bill Peters?

You can't help but feel as if Calgary struggling helps the situation.

3-5-2 in their last 10 and not scoring many goals - you won't necessarily have the fan base fighting to keep him around.

 

[Alf Silfversson]

Maybe a little unfair, but what Treliving pulled off , I could not see Dorion pull off. He was excellent throughout the whole process, not rushing his own process to satisfy social media outrage as well as the usual print/radio/tv media. Dorion may have fainted during questions, or simply not answered any

Far from being a defender of DOHrion but I feel like the organization under his tenure did pretty well with the Randy Lee situation.

Agreed that Treliving has done a better job though.

 

[JD1]

Far from being a defender of DOHrion but I feel like the organization under his tenure did pretty well with the Randy Lee situation.

Agreed that Treliving has done a better job though.

The org took a lot of heat about that situation but they could not rush to fire him without opening themselves to a defamation suit if it turned out to be frivolous

 

[aragorn]

Hopefully, everyone can learn from these situations & treat people with a lot more respect instead of the crap we see so often in our society these days. Hopefully, Peters himself has evolved as a person as well & has learned from this incident.

 

[harrisb]

Far from being a defender of DOHrion but I feel like the organization under his tenure did pretty well with the Randy Lee situation.

Agreed that Treliving has done a better job though.

They handled it horridly. They rushed to his Defense with a top notch lawyer and kept him on the active staff. The right move was an immediate suspension with pay from the org while an investigation happened, it didn’t.

 

[GCK]

Far from being a defender of DOHrion but I feel like the organization under his tenure did pretty well with the Randy Lee situation.

Agreed that Treliving has done a better job though.

Treliving has support. In Ottawa Its coach-GM- EM.