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[HSF]

It's just makes you unrealistic

Tired of fans on here being so adament about something without looking at the evidence especially since the sharks are always good

 

[GCK]

Sure, no one is asking you to apologize for that though. I want the same thing.

There's a difference between wanting the Sharks to lose, and being so confident and absolute that they WILL lose, that you make ridiculous and absolute claims that they are "guaranteed to be a bottom 5 team" or "their downfall was predictable if you were smart like me", or some other similarly silly claim.

Like... I want them to lose, but I still respect the fact that it's a good team and they had the ability to play better than they were. I want them to lose, like the vast majority of Sens fans, because we have that 1st round pick... but I'm still realistic about what is most likely to happen. Being aware of the Sharks ability to win games doesn't make me want them to lose any less, it just means I have enough common sense not to make ridiculous claims about that team (which I don't think you made either, I'm just talking in general here).

I haven’t seen anyone predict the Sharks being bottom five.
The second bolded part is you being extremely hypocritical as you state your opinion is common sense and conflicting opinion is ridiculous
I am on record stating San Jose is not a playoff team because they are top heavy, old and slowing. I did not share my opinion because I want to prove “I am smarter as you claim” it’s because that’s what is done in a forum like this. I have repeated my opinion after attacks, especially from my stalker.

 

[Boud]

I read a couple of articles at the beginning of November saying that November was SJs best month of the season schedule wise. 11 home games and relatively easy opposition. They are winning but they aren't tearing it up either. Let's see how they fare in another month or so. They put themselves in the mix but there are a couple ofcteams right below them that were expected to be playoff teams also.

Hopefully they miss and we get that 2nd crack at the lottery

Of course here's hoping they miss.

Was just looking at this with more details, they lost the two first games of November as part of a 5 game losing streak, in their last 13 games they're actually 11-2.

Most of their games were against teams out of the playoff race, but as you say some of those teams are pretty good and are expected to make the playoffs like VGK and NSH. They won against EDM and NYI as well, both teams are top 3 in their respective conference right now. It'll be interesting to see how they go on from here, their schedule will get tougher and they won't have last change as you mention. They likely level off, all teams are extremely close in the west. Sharks are 4 points out of 2nd in the west, and they're also 5 points out of 12th while Minny has 2 games in hand. Very volatile standings.

 

[BonkTastic]

I haven’t seen anyone predict the Sharks being bottom five.

Not in this thread, for sure. I was talking in general. I remember seeing that take in a few non-HFSens places. The main boards are especially bad for those kinds of bad takes.

The second bolded part is you being extremely hypocritical as you state your opinion is common sense and conflicting opinion is ridiculous

How is it hypocritical to have enough common sense to avoid making definitive and absolute statements about a team based on an extremely small data sample that seems like an outlier when compared to the much larger and reliable sample size?

I'm open to constructive criticism here if it's valid, but I'm having a hard time seeing it here.

I am on record stating San Jose is not a playoff team because they are top heavy, old and slowing. I did not share my opinion because...

No one should be jumping on you for having an opinion. Thinking the Sharks MIGHT not be a playoff team because of (reasons) is fine. Everyone's allowed to have opinions. There are a few people who like to present their opinions as FACTS though, and that's what rubs some people the wrong way.

I mean... I remember I thought Draisaitl wasn't going to be worth a top-5 pick in his draft year. Everyone has opinions, and those opinions can blow up in their faces (like that one did for me, whoo boy did I eat crow on that one, lol). Some of us have good ones, some of us have bad ones. Opinions are fine, you just have to be prepared to defend them, and have the humility to acknowledge when they were bad in hindsight (not talking about you hers, just talking about "opinions" in general).

I have repeated my opinion after attacks, especially from my stalker.

I'm willing to go on record to say that I'm definitively anti-stalker.

 

[HavlatMach9]

Karlsson's skating looks to have gotten back to normal, and he's playing well.

The teams in the Pacific are similar I think that the Sharks could range from best in their division to just missing out of the playoffs.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Karlsson's skating looks to have gotten back to normal, and he's playing well.

The teams in the Pacific are similar I think that the Sharks could range from best in their division to just missing out of the playoffs.

As much as it would be nice to get a good pick from the Sharks (which we still may very well get), its nicer to see Karl get back to form. It was legit sad to watch him at the start of the year

 

[Ice-Tray]

As much as it would be nice to get a good pick from the Sharks (which we still may very well get), its nicer to see Karl get back to form. It was legit sad to watch him at the start of the year

I don’t think it’s nicer seeing get back to form over a better pick for our rebuild.

Im definitely a front of the jersey fan first though for the most part, but I definitely understand the sentiment.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

As much as it would be nice to get a good pick from the Sharks (which we still may very well get), its nicer to see Karl get back to form. It was legit sad to watch him at the start of the year

Totally agree, who cares about the pick, just nice to see Karlsson getting back to form.

 

[Xspyrit]

Nobody should, we should all want them to lose.

That's not what is being ridiculed

Not sure if anything needs to be "ridiculed". I'm reading this board sparingly and I have noticed several posts where people seem to rejoice that the Sharks have turned their season around. This is the worst news possible for the Sens which leaves me very confused... Having two top-10 picks in THIS draft would have been amazing and could have almost assured a great rebuild (as long as they make good choices of course). There's still hope but looks like the Sharks will either make the playoffs or just miss them now.

I knew Pavelski loss was immense and that several of their key players are getting older. I'm expecting this team's window to close in the near future, which means they will eventually miss the playoffs. Could it be this year? It could but unfortunately it might not, a bit like the Red Wings a few years ago when you were expecting a decline but they kept on making the playoffs with an aging core

Sharks have great young players and 2 of the best OD of their generation. And unfortunately, Evander Kane might have his career year and Couture doesn't look like he's regressing at all. Too bad, would have been great to see the Sharks have a bad season. It was in our best interest, but I haven't seen people going after the Sharks organization like vultures, the way the Avs did to the Sens last year.

 

[BondraTime]

Not sure if anything needs to be "ridiculed". I'm reading this board sparingly and I have noticed several posts where people seem to rejoice that the Sharks have turned their season around. This is the worst news possible for the Sens which leaves me very confused... Having two top-10 picks in THIS draft would have been amazing and could have almost assured a great rebuild (as long as they make good choices of course). There's still hope but looks like the Sharks will either make the playoffs or just miss them now.

I knew Pavelski loss was immense and that several of their key players are getting older. I'm expecting this team's window to close in the near future, which means they will eventually miss the playoffs. Could it be this year? It could but unfortunately it might not, a bit like the Red Wings a few years ago when you were expecting a decline but they kept on making the playoffs with an aging core

Sharks have great young players and 2 of the best OD of their generation. And unfortunately, Evander Kane might have his career year and Couture doesn't look like he's regressing at all. Too bad, would have been great to see the Sharks have a bad season. It was in our best interest, but I haven't seen people going after the Sharks organization like vultures, the way the Avs did to the Sens last year.

Sure, fair enough.

 

[L'Aveuglette]

Eight losses in a row for the Habs lol. Guess they're not contenders after all.

 

[Boud]

Eight losses in a row for the Habs lol. Guess they're not contenders after all.

Never like to see young talented players struggle but honestly Kotkaniemi is looking out of place right now. He needs a confidence boost, maybe they should send him down to Laval while the team struggles. He did a 180 from how he looked last year.

 

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[maclean]

Sure, no one is asking you to apologize for that though. I want the same thing.

There's a difference between wanting the Sharks to lose, and being so confident and absolute that they WILL lose, that you make ridiculous and absolute claims that they are "guaranteed to be a bottom 5 team" or "their downfall was predictable if you were smart like me", or some other similarly silly claim.

Like... I want them to lose, but I still respect the fact that it's a good team and they had the ability to play better than they were. I want them to lose, like the vast majority of Sens fans, because we have that 1st round pick... but I'm still realistic about what is most likely to happen. Being aware of the Sharks ability to win games doesn't make me want them to lose any less, it just means I have enough common sense not to make ridiculous claims about that team (which I don't think you made either, I'm just talking in general here).

But there's also the crowd that took their disdain for people being so confident the Sharks would do poorly so far as to actually rejoice when the Sharks do well because it proves those people wrong, which apparently is more of a priority to them than us actually getting a good pick.

 

[JD1]

But there's also the crowd that took their disdain for people being so confident the Sharks would do poorly so far as to actually rejoice when the Sharks do well because it proves those people wrong, which apparently is more of a priority to them than us actually getting a good pick.

Being able to rejoice over PD being an idiot>>>>>SJ's pick being a lotto pick don't ya know

 

[BatherSeason]

But there's also the crowd that took their disdain for people being so confident the Sharks would do poorly so far as to actually rejoice when the Sharks do well because it proves those people wrong, which apparently is more of a priority to them than us actually getting a good pick.

There is also a "crowd" who takes pleasure in Erik Karlsson not doing well. Just reread the thread where the draft pick is discussed, a good chunk of the crowd is more excited in Erik Karlsson's demise than they are in the Sharks losing and improving the Sens pick.

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

Being able to rejoice over PD being an idiot>>>>>SJ's pick being a lotto pick don't ya know

Who rejoices over PD being an idiot? That would mean he continually does a bad job which is what all Sens fans don't want....

 

[BonkTastic]

But there's also the crowd that took their disdain for people being so confident the Sharks would do poorly so far as to actually rejoice when the Sharks do well because it proves those people wrong, which apparently is more of a priority to them than us actually getting a good pick.

Yeah, true enough, there's a few there as well.

Though... I assume that there's a percentage of that group who are still Karlsson fans, who want the Sharks to do well because of that reason, and not for Schadenfreude reasons? I dunno, I'm just guessing on that one.

Like, if there were a Venn diagram with two circles, one being "Karlsson fans among the Sens fanbase" and the other being "Schadenfreude fans", there would be at least some significant overlap in the shared central "cheering for the Sharks" shaded section.

 

[SPF6ty9]

The McDavid / Draisaitl pairing is unreal. Almost makes me wish I could undo a Chiarelli trade or two to give the pair some support for a playoff run.

 

[BonkTastic]

Who rejoices over PD being an idiot?

Leafs and Habs fans, I imagine.

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

As much as it would be nice to get a good pick from the Sharks (which we still may very well get), its nicer to see Karl get back to form. It was legit sad to watch him at the start of the year

Not for me. Rather get the best pick possible whether or not Karlsson gets back to form is irrelevant to what's best for the Sens

 

[maclean]

Yeah, true enough, there's a few there as well.

Though... I assume that there's a percentage of that group who are still Karlsson fans, who want the Sharks to do well because of that reason, and not for Schadenfreude reasons? I dunno, I'm just guessing on that one.

Like, if there were a Venn diagram with two circles, one being "Karlsson fans among the Sens fanbase" and the other being "Schadenfreude fans", there would be at least some significant overlap in the shared central "cheering for the Sharks" shaded section.

One day I hope to see the finished version of your Sens fanbase Venn diagram Somewhere in the Sens/Venn couplet there's a catchy name for it too

 

[maclean]

There is also a "crowd" who takes pleasure in Erik Karlsson not doing well. Just reread the thread where the draft pick is discussed, a good chunk of the crowd is more excited in Erik Karlsson's demise than they are in the Sharks losing and improving the Sens pick.

True, true. I try to think of that as a coping mechanism - it was a painful moment for all of us and Karlsson dropping off a clip performance-wise could take some of the sting out of it, I get it, though as with anything people overdo it to say the least. For me in an ideal world Karlsson does great but the Sharks still end up last

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

The McDavid / Draisaitl pairing is unreal. Almost makes me wish I could undo a Chiarelli trade or two to give the pair some support for a playoff run.

If Edmonton does manage to add a supporting piece or two....look out. Could have a mini dynasty in Alberta.

 

[BonkTastic]

One day I hope to see the finished version of your Sens fanbase Venn diagram Somewhere in the Sens/Venn couplet there's a catchy name for it too

Seriously, I could probably do an entire undergrad honours thesis at this point.

"Overlapping Associative Identities Within Subcultures: Exploring the Senn Diagram"