Around the NHL XXXIX

[BatherSeason]

For me in an ideal world Karlsson does great but the Sharks still end up last

I agree, for me, this is the perfect scenario. Too bad the same crowd of people would immediately blame Karlsson (bad teammate, hates to practice) for the last place finish, no matter how he plays on the ice.

 

[maclean]

Seriously, I could probably do an entire undergrad honours thesis at this point.

"Overlapping Associative Identities Within Subcultures: Exploring the Senn Diagram"

If we're talking a field like Sociology, that's easily good enough to get you a Master's, if not a doctorate

 

[BatherSeason]

I'm really curious to see how the Taylor Hall situation plays out. Would be interesting to see how similar or how different Shero plays his cards in comparison with how Dorion handled the Stone situation last year. IMO, Stone should have been traded much earlier than the final seconds before the trade deadline and now it seems as though Hall will be moved sooner rather than later. Curious to see if Shero can get a better return for his pending UFA, will be a good measuring stick for Dorion as well.

 

[FormentonTheFuture]

I'm really curious to see how the Taylor Hall situation plays out. Would be interesting to see how similar or how different Shero plays his cards in comparison with how Dorion handled the Stone situation last year. IMO, Stone should have been traded much earlier than the final seconds before the trade deadline and now it seems as though Hall will be moved sooner rather than later. Curious to see if Shero can get a better return for his pending UFA, will be a good measuring stick for Dorion as well.

Probably, simply because I imagine Hall has more value as the better scorer. He's going to get a bigger contract too.

 

[Micklebot]

Probably, simply because I imagine Hall has more value as the better scorer. He's going to get a bigger contract too.

Interestingly enough, since Stone became a full time NHL player in 2014-15, he's had more goals than Hall, and a higher goals per game

Stone: 389 gp 135 g 337 pts (.347 goals per game, .866 pts per game)
Hall: 341 gp 114 g, 307 pts (.334 gpals per game, .900 pts per game)

Hall has the single season high of 39 over stone 33, but Stone's goal scoring is really underrated.

 

[BondraTime]

Interestingly enough, since Stone became a full time NHL player in 2014-15, he's had more goals than Hall, and a higher goals per game

Stone: 389 gp 135 g 337 pts (.347 goals per game, .866 pts per game)
Hall: 341 gp 114 g, 307 pts (.334 gpals per game, .900 pts per game)

Hall has the single season high of 39 over stone 33, but Stone's goal scoring is really underrated.

Stone is a better player than Hall. Not sure there is a GM out there who’d take Hall over Stone, especially at the deadline.

 

[TheDebater]

If Edmonton does manage to add a supporting piece or two....look out. Could have a mini dynasty in Alberta.

They will want a guy like Pageau and I think they will pay to do it. He would instantly make that team even better.

How is their defense? Would a guy like Boro help them out, he can play a tough style and would help add grit to a playoff run.

Cap dump+Puljujarvi+1st round pick for Pageau and Borowiecki.

Sucks that they would probably make it to the finals at least and that 1st rounder would probably be 30-31st though.

Maybe they could add a 2nd to that, Pageau has value right now.

 

[Micklebot]

Stone is a better player than Hall. Not sure there is a GM out there who’d take Hall over Stone, especially at the deadline.

Oh, I definitely agree, just thought it interesting that Stone is often overlooked in terms of his goal scoring ability. He's not as good of a pure shooter as Hall, but imo is able to score in more ways.

 

[FormentonTheFuture]

Stone is a better player than Hall. Not sure there is a GM out there who’d take Hall over Stone, especially at the deadline.

I think he's a better all around player than Hall too, but Hall has better production and an MVP, so I think he'd be valued higher.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Hall also doesn't have the skating drawback Stone has which means he might be a better "investment" long-term.

I'd take Stone over Hall though, I think most would.

 

[maclean]

Oh, I definitely agree, just thought it interesting that Stone is often overlooked in terms of his goal scoring ability. He's not as good of a pure shooter as Hall, but imo is able to score in more ways.

Stone was not a first overall draft pick. Couldn't be much simpler...
I for one would take him on my team anyday over most other players in the league, though I may be biased in the other direction.

 

[Micklebot]

Stone was not a first overall draft pick. Couldn't be much simpler...
I for one would take him on my team anyday over most other players in the league, though I may be biased in the other direction.

Pastrnak, Gaudreau and Kucherov weren't 1st OA picks either but I imagine they'd get more than Hall too.

Draft pedigree only holds value for so long. At this point, I doubt very much it is taken into consideration at all.

 

[TheDebater]

Pastrnak, Gaudreau and Kucherov weren't 1st OA picks either but I imagine they'd get more than Hall too.

Draft pedigree only holds value for so long. At this point, I doubt very much it is taken into consideration at all.

So what you are saying is that former 2nd overall pick Bobby Ryan and former 8th overall pick Mikkel Bodker are worth nothing? How dare you.

 

[JD1]

I'm really curious to see how the Taylor Hall situation plays out. Would be interesting to see how similar or how different Shero plays his cards in comparison with how Dorion handled the Stone situation last year. IMO, Stone should have been traded much earlier than the final seconds before the trade deadline and now it seems as though Hall will be moved sooner rather than later. Curious to see if Shero can get a better return for his pending UFA, will be a good measuring stick for Dorion as well.

I too am watching this one. But I've not seen a lot of anything from the Hall camp that he is interested in staying whereas with both Stone and Duchene there was that sentiment

 

[swiftwin]

When are we going to have a night to honor Jonathan "Filip Forsberg" Dahlen?

 

[JD1]

Stone is a better player than Hall. Not sure there is a GM out there who’d take Hall over Stone, especially at the deadline.

Idk about that. Hall won the Hart in 2018 and his career numbers are quite a bit better

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

When are we going to have a night to honor Jonathan "Filip Forsberg" Dahlen?

As a semi Nucks fan, this is great to see. He may have been so bad in Ottawa that he needed to be bought out, but he was huge for them and scored one of their biggest playoff goals ever.

 

[Alf Silfversson]

When are we going to have a night to honor Jonathan "Filip Forsberg" Dahlen?

Well this seems kind of gaslighting-ish, so maybe I shouldn't bother responding but here goes. Whether Dahlen has panned out (he's still 21 and having a nice season in Sweden, FWIW) doesn't change the fact that his perceived value at the time was higher than a broken down Burrows.

Who's to say that if we maxed out Dahlen's value and acquired, say, Patrick Eaves at the 2017 deadline that we wouldn't have a Stanley Cup to our name?

Giving up a recent high 2nd rounder for UFA Burrows at the time was overpayment.

 

[swiftwin]

Well this seems kind of gaslighting-ish, so maybe I shouldn't bother responding but here goes. Whether Dahlen has panned out (he's still 21 and having a nice season in Sweden, FWIW) doesn't change the fact that his perceived value at the time was higher than a broken down Burrows.

Who's to say that if we maxed out Dahlen's value and acquired, say, Patrick Eaves at the 2017 deadline that we wouldn't have a Stanley Cup to our name?

Giving up a recent high 2nd rounder for UFA Burrows at the time was overpayment.

Burrows was quite solid for us during our cup run, logging a solid amount of minutes in a 3rd/4th line role, chipping in a couple primary assists on OT winners, and overall being reliable defensively.

I would argue that him getting hurt in the Pens series cost us the series. We had to put Chris Kelly in his place. He was so awful by comparison that he couldn't be trusted to more than 3 minutes of ice time in that game 7 2OT game. Our top players played like 4-5mins more than the Pens top players because of this, and ran out of gas at the end.

People are vastly exaggerating Dahlen's value. I even said it at the time that he was waaaaay overrated. Nobody believed me.

I'm not sure why you think the perceived value of Dahlen on this hfboards had anything to do with his actual value at the time of the trade.

Edit: Also, it's important to note the going rate of players/rentals at the time of the trade. Vancouver had traded Hansen to SJ for a recent 1st round pick (Goldobin) the same week. Hansen was worse than Burrows. I'd say the Burrows trade was one of the better trades done at that deadline.

 

[Alf Silfversson]

Burrows was quite solid for us during our cup run, logging a solid amount of minutes in a 3rd/4th line role, chipping in a couple primary assists on OT winners, and overall being reliable defensively.

I would argue that him getting hurt in the Pens series cost us the series. We had to put Chris Kelly in his place. He was so awful by comparison that he couldn't be trusted to more than 3 minutes of ice time in that game 7 2OT game. Our top players played like 4-5mins more than the Pens top players because of this, and ran out of gas at the end.

People are vastly exaggerating Dahlen's value. I even said it at the time that he was waaaaay overrated. Nobody believed me.

I'm not sure why you think the perceived value of Dahlen on this hfboards had anything to do with his actual value at the time of the trade.

Edit: Also, it's important to note the going rate of players/rentals at the time of the trade. Vancouver had traded Hansen to SJ for a recent 1st round pick (Goldobin) the same week. Hansen was worse than Burrows. I'd say the Burrows trade was one of the better trades done at that deadline.

Hansen was much better than Burrows at that stage in their respective careers. And Goldobin held similar value to Dahlen.

 

[swiftwin]

Hansen was much better than Burrows at that stage in their respective careers. And Goldobin held similar value to Dahlen.

Well then, good thing we went for Burrows instead of Hansen, because Hansen did sweet f*** all for the Sharks, then went to Europe.

And Goldobin is/was a far better prospect. He's got more points in the NHL than Dahlen does in the AHL.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Acquiring Burrows was never the problem imo. Dorion had obviously soured on Dahlen in the last year and Burrows was decent with a few clutch moments on the run. It was the requirement of the $5 million dollar extension that should have nixed things on Dorion's end.

 

[swiftwin]

Acquiring Burrows was never the problem imo. Dorion had obviously soured on Dahlen in the last year and Burrows was decent with a few clutch moments on the run. It was the requirement of the $5 million dollar extension that should have nixed things on Dorion's end.

I can agree with this. That extension was not ideal. Not the end of the world either.

The big freakout around here was around Dahlen though, not the extension. We had multiple 1000+ threads about that trade, and every single GDT was derailed by Dahlen talk. I kind you not, more ink was spilled over losing Dahlen than losing Karlsson. Now that Dahlen is not panning out, everyone is acting like it was no big deal. It's pathetic and cowardly. Typical online community echo-chamber behavior.

 

[2CHAINZ]

I can agree with this. That extension was not ideal. Not the end of the world either.

The big freakout around here was around Dahlen though, not the extension. We had multiple 1000+ threads about that trade, and every single GDT was derailed by Dahlen talk. I kind you not, more ink was spilled over losing Dahlen than losing Karlsson. Now that Dahlen is not panning out, everyone is acting like it was no big deal. It's pathetic and cowardly. Typical online community echo-chamber behavior.

Dahlen for Burrows was a bad a trade regardless of Dahlen not panning out.

Also you're making a point that GDTs were derailed with Dahlen talk so you come here and not only bring up Dahlen but then call people out ? Are you going to complain that this thread got derailed after what you're about to start ?

 

[swiftwin]

Dahlen for Burrows was a bad a trade regardless of Dahlen not panning out.

Also you're making a point that GDTs were derailed with Dahlen talk so you come here and not only bring up Dahlen but then call people out ? Are you going to complain that this thread got derailed after what you're about to start ?

Because this is not a GDT. This is the appropriate place to have this discussion.