Around the NHL XXXIX

[Neil Patrick Harris]

Man, that main board thread on the Peters debacle.

Been a while since I've seen that many bad takes in one place. I can just drink 'em up like boxed wine.

 

[Joeyjoejoe]

Man, that main board thread on the Peters debacle.

Been a while since I've seen that many bad takes in one place. I can just drink 'em up like boxed wine.

hockey culture man.

 

[BatherSeason]

You know it will.

This will set the precedent moving forward that nothing can be hidden behind closed doors anymore

Imagine if any of these coaches/players ever get called out for what they say to the referees. Gonna have to crack down on that at some point too. Its the only sport where the camera pans on the coach screaming at the referee and most of the times, the words aren't very nice and even my 5 year old can lip read what is being said.

 

[FormentonTheFuture]

Imagine if any of these coaches/players ever get called out for what they say to the referees. Gonna have to crack down on that at some point too. Its the only sport where the camera pans on the coach screaming at the referee and most of the times, the words aren't very nice and even my 5 year old can lip read what is being said.

That happens all the time in NBA, NFL, MLB etc, not sure what you mean. In MLB they get tossed all the time.

 

[BatherSeason]

That happens all the time in NBA, NFL, MLB etc, not sure what you mean. In MLB they get tossed all the time.

Yes, you are right, didn't think of baseball, but it seems to me that in both the NFL and the NBA, they treat their officials with a little more respect. In the NBA, the coaches get a technical foul, so its to their team's detriment if the coach wants to be an a$$. Either way, the point I was making is that the way they speak to the officials in unacceptable human behaviour, not "Hockey Culture".

 

[Blarginator]

I hope all this news this leads to a league wide cleansing. We all knew deep down that stuff like that happens but it's good that the players are finally speaking out against it. Hockey culture is one of the most conservative and traditional so I'm not holding my breath too much but I'm really tired of the old boys club, racism, outdated ideas and abusive behaviors running rampant. Peters and Babcock are far from the only POS allowed to work in this league so let's see who else gets called out.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I hope all this news this leads to a league wide cleansing. We all knew deep down that stuff like that happens but it's good that the players are finally speaking out against it. Hockey culture is one of the most conservative and traditional so I'm not holding my breath too much but I'm really tired of the old boys club, racism, outdated ideas and abusive behaviors running rampant. Peters and Babcock are far from the only POS allowed to work in this league so let's see who else gets called out.

Amen. Macho male culture needs to stop dominating the room.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

I hope all this news this leads to a league wide cleansing. We all knew deep down that stuff like that happens but it's good that the players are finally speaking out against it. Hockey culture is one of the most conservative and traditional so I'm not holding my breath too much but I'm really tired of the old boys club, racism, outdated ideas and abusive behaviors running rampant. Peters and Babcock are far from the only POS allowed to work in this league so let's see who else gets called out.

I mean Babcock playing crappy mind games is, to me, in a completely different universe in terms of gravity (Babcock owned up and says he apologized for whatever that is worth) than what it is alleged Peters did/said.

I get that both are emblematic of the kind of toxicity most balanced individuals want out of the game but I just had to say something about the two being juxtaposed here.

 

[BankStreetParade]

Bunch of fickle fans over there in Montreal I tell ya.

Clearly not a hockey market.

Yes, comparing Ottawa, one of the cheapest teams to see in all North American professional sports, to Montreal, one of the most expensive, is a very simple apples to apples comparison. /facepalm

 

[Tuna99]

The Babcock coaching tree has turned into a Babcock forest fire.

You think of Paul Maclean and the talent he had, first year being a players coach and getting the team to play so tight and so hard. Second year he came in wanting to be more hard, sounds like he made a plan to be more like Babcock. Players pushed back, he lost his job. A couple years later there was a story about Maclean’s hunt for another HC job and he kept hearing teams want a good communicator. How quickly his reputation changed from one year to the next.

The balance of power Mitch Marner has dropped onto the players side calling out Babcock in the Toronto market and welcoming the whirlwind to make a change in coaching. His story will change every single coach at every single level of hockey in Canada. It’s kinda Ted Lindsiesque in its broad shoulderdness. Kids incredible to watch and he’s done something real to change the game.

 

[Icelevel]

Here's the story https://www.tsn.ca/akim-aliu-speaks...lgary-flames-head-coach-bill-peters-1.1403974

I’d like to hear what music was being played and what the lyrics were. Has that been reported?

 

[NyQuil]

Yes, comparing Ottawa, one of the cheapest teams to see in all North American professional sports, to Montreal, one of the most expensive, is a very simple apples to apples comparison. /facepalm

Did you really think I was being serious?

But I’ll bite.

What’s equally ridiculous is the metropolitan populations of the two cities and the comparative sizes of the arenas. Not to mention the economic orientation of the two cities.

And yet raw attendance pretends to be an apples to apples comparison.

 

[BatherSeason]

The Babcock coaching tree has turned into a Babcock forest fire.

You think of Paul Maclean and the talent he had, first year being a players coach and getting the team to play so tight and so hard. Second year he came in wanting to be more hard, sounds like he made a plan to be more like Babcock. Players pushed back, he lost his job. A couple years later there was a story about Maclean’s hunt for another HC job and he kept hearing teams want a good communicator. How quickly his reputation changed from one year to the next.

The balance of power Mitch Marner has dropped onto the players side calling out Babcock in the Toronto market and welcoming the whirlwind to make a change in coaching. His story will change every single coach at every single level of hockey in Canada. It’s kinda Ted Lindsiesque in its broad shoulderdness. Kids incredible to watch and he’s done something real to change the game.

Maybe Paul MacLean got fired because he was Paul MacLean and not because the selfish superstar players' egos.

Erik Karlsson and Jason Spezza can't be the reason he has barely sniffed a job since.

Either way, Bill Peters can't survive this can he? Probably a blessing in disguise for Calgary as I am sure they will respond well to a coaching change.

 

[robsenz]

Maybe Paul MacLean got fired because he was Paul MacLean and not because the selfish superstar players' egos.

Erik Karlsson and Jason Spezza can't be the reason he has barely sniffed a job since.

Either way, Bill Peters can't survive this can he? Probably a blessing in disguise for Calgary as I am sure they will respond well to a coaching change.

You mean head coaching job right? He was on the Columbus bench last night. only 32 jobs for HC in the NHL, he's been around since being fired

 

[BankStreetParade]

Did you really think I was being serious?

But I’ll bite.

What’s equally ridiculous is the metropolitan populations of the two cities and the comparative sizes of the arenas. Not to mention the economic orientation of the two cities.

And yet raw attendance pretends to be an apples to apples comparison.

Even the relative figures don't make the picture any prettier. Montreal tickets at 4-8x the price of Ottawa tickets have always way outpaced our market in sales. Even integrating the relative value of Montreal being a legacy team in the NHL still doesn't justify how little paid attendance Ottawa has historically drawn at some of the lowest prices in professional North American sports.

But anyways, I don't want people to think this is a good fan vs. bad fan argument. That conversation gets us nowhere fast.

 

[BatherSeason]

You mean head coaching job right? He was on the Columbus bench last night. only 32 jobs for HC in the NHL, he's been around since being fired

Jack Adams winners usually get anotherkick at the can at some point, or at least has their names mentioned when there are vacancies. None of that with MacLean.

Obviously I'm not trying to imply that MacLean did anything remotely close to what Peters or Babs are being accused of. I'm more implying that maybe there was more to the story than what the media decided to report.

 

[BonkTastic]

Jack Adams winners usually get anotherkick at the can at some point, or at least has their names mentioned when there are vacancies. None of that with MacLean.

Obviously I'm not trying to imply that MacLean did anything remotely close to what Peters or Babs are being accused of. I'm more implying that maybe there was more to the story than what the media decided to report.

Maybe every single coach that has ever been fired had "more to the story than what the media decided to report".

Let's stick to the actual accusations instead of drumming up wild goose chases where literally no evidence or insinuation of foul play has occured, cool?

 

[BatherSeason]

Maybe every single coach that has ever been fired had "more to the story than what the media decided to report".

Let's stick to the actual accusations instead of drumming up wild goose chases where literally no evidence or insinuation of foul play has occured, cool?

Fair enough. My original comment was a reply to someone who mentioned MacLean. I also ended with an attempt to bring it back to Peters.

Peters can't actually survive this can he? Don't the Flames have a pretty good coach in the AHL right now?

 

[L'Aveuglette]

Can't believe we're going to robbed of hearing Don Cherry's comments on the Bill Peters debacle. Coach's Corner would have been must-see-tv this Saturday.

Would have loved to see it too but only because it would have further exposed Cherry as the blatant racist blowhard he is.

 

[BonkTastic]

Peters can't actually survive this can he? Don't the Flames have a pretty good coach in the AHL right now?

I wonder if this had actually made it harder to fire him, in some twisted way.

Like, if the Flames wanted to fire him 3 days ago because he sucks as a coach, then whatever. But if they fire him now, even if it were for entirely hockey-related reasons, his firing will always be linked to Aliu and the investigation it caused.

Not that he won't deserve to be fired if the Aliu stuff bears truth (which seems fairly likely as of right now), but he kind of also deserves to be fired because he's bad at the non-jerk parts of being a hockey coach, too. And firing him for that got harder, because now he can say he was "Mee too"d rather than losing his job for "hockey reasons", and become a martyr for awful human beings who rally around that sort of uglyness.

 

[BatherSeason]

I wonder if this had actually made it harder to fire him, in some twisted way.

Like, if the Flames wanted to fire him 3 days ago because he sucks as a coach, then whatever. But if they fire him now, even if it were for entirely hockey-related reasons, his firing will always be linked to Aliu and the investigation it caused.

Not that he won't deserve to be fired if the Aliu stuff bears truth (which seems fairly likely as of right now), but he kind of also deserves to be fired because he's bad at the non-jerk parts of being a hockey coach, too. And firing him for that got harder, because now he can say he was "Mee too"d rather than losing his job for "hockey reasons", and become a martyr for awful human beings who rally around that sort of uglyness.

I wonder if the Flames are looking into terminating the contract as opposed to a basic firing where they owe him for the duration of his contract?

 

[swiftwin]

I wonder if this had actually made it harder to fire him, in some twisted way.

Like, if the Flames wanted to fire him 3 days ago because he sucks as a coach, then whatever. But if they fire him now, even if it were for entirely hockey-related reasons, his firing will always be linked to Aliu and the investigation it caused.

Not that he won't deserve to be fired if the Aliu stuff bears truth (which seems fairly likely as of right now), but he kind of also deserves to be fired because he's bad at the non-jerk parts of being a hockey coach, too. And firing him for that got harder, because now he can say he was "Mee too"d rather than losing his job for "hockey reasons", and become a martyr for awful human beings who rally around that sort of uglyness.

I think you're overthinking it.

Calgary doesn't care if people make Peters out to be a martyr. Calgary looks horrid right now, much like Toronto did before they fired Babcock. Now they have two reasons to fire him.

 

[swiftwin]

I wonder if the Flames are looking into terminating the contract as opposed to a basic firing where they owe him for the duration of his contract?

I'm suspecting this is why we were getting conflicting reports this morning. I'm guessing he's basically fired right now, but they're getting lawyers going through the process to get him fired with cause. But then again, that could be tricky because this happened 10 years ago.

I just can't see how he remains on as coach after all this.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

The players on the Huricanes reportedly shared their concerns about Peters' antics with management when he was coaching there and were ignored.

This keeps getting worse.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

The players on the Huricanes reportedly shared their concerns about Peters' antics with management when he was coaching there and were ignored.

This keeps getting worse.

And Ron Francis is with Seattle now...