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L'Aveuglette

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Least surprising firing ever.

This will probably make the Leafs better, which I'm torn about because on one hand I love watching them implode, but on the other, I didn't want them anywhere near the lottery.

Must be nice though, having so much money to waste you can keep paying a guy $6M for the next 4 years to coach elsewhere or sit on his ass.
 
JungleBeat

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Haha, lots of posters in here throwing stones from glass houses. Watch the Leafs have a successful season after firing Babcock.
 
Sens of Anarchy

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One of Johnsson/Kapanen/Kerfott OUT
One of Sandin/Liljgren IN (maybe both)

Leaves ~$17/18 million to sign Dermott + other RFA's + a middle pair

It's tight but doable, a lot of their success will depend on the strides that Sandin, Liljgren and Dermott take.
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They are all good but they are young and inexperienced 3 of them in won't go well imo. They are nice players don't get me wrong , it will take some really good insulation for that to work .. I don't see much of that
 
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Sheldon Keefe is an incredible coach. The leafs are going to go on a tear, it was pretty obvious that team had tuned out Babcock. Not sticking up for each other and the serious lack of compete day in day out.
 
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Could use DJ Smith, players coach, obviously knows what he’s doing, guys compete for him.

Players must be missing DJ, Babcock didn’t last 20 games in Toronto without him
 
Sens of Anarchy

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Dubas over Lou/Hunter was a mistake. Babcock payed the price. I can't argue with the move at this point but . the bigger mistake was made earlier imo. Babcock dodn't forget how to coach or how to win when he took the job with the Leafs
 
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Sens of Anarchy

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Tuna99 said:
Could use DJ Smith, players coach, obviously knows what he’s doing, guys compete for him.

Players must be missing DJ, Babcock didn’t last 20 games in Toronto without him
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The heir apparent was always Keefe not Smith. That's why Smith jumped over here tml tattoo and all
 
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I have a bad (good?) feeling that Keefe, despite how good or bad a coach he ends up being, is going to get eaten alive by the Toronto hockey media wolves.

Say what you want about Babcock, but that part of the job he was GREAT at.
 
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L'Aveuglette said:
Least surprising firing ever.

This will probably make the Leafs better, which I'm torn about because on one hand I love watching them implode, but on the other, I didn't want them anywhere near the lottery.

Must be nice though, having so much money to waste you can keep paying a guy $6M for the next 4 years to coach elsewhere or sit on his ass.
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The sweet spot is for the Leafs to finish with the 11th-14th type pick in a very deep draft. That way, it's an unprotected very good young player.

I still can't fathom why we didn't beat out the Hurricane's offer. I would love to know the inside story behind that. I would hope it was the Leafs preferring to send the pick to Carolina, and not us refusing to spend the cash.
 
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Coaches have a shelf life, even good ones. Babcock finally outlasted his. Leafs aren't built perfectly but a new coach can do wonders when the players have tuned out the old one.

Maybe we can hire babcock to be an assistant to DJ. Give him a soft landing...
 
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That's what happens when you GM like this is NHL20.

You can't just blow the team up, draft high, throw that talent on the ice, and expect things to happen automatically.
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For a lot of teams it does though. Obviously you need some basic competence.

As it is you need elite talent, and we aren't ever going to find it in free agency.
 
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Micklebot said:
Coaches have a shelf life, even good ones. Babcock finally outlasted his. Leafs aren't built perfectly but a new coach can do wonders when the players have tuned out the old one.

Maybe we can hire babcock to be an assistant to DJ. Give him a soft landing...
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This, 100 percent. Except I dont want Babcock anywhere close to a rebuilding team. He is a finisher, bring him in once the team is ready to take the next step. Leafs did it backwards.
 
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JungleBeat said:
Haha, lots of posters in here throwing stones from glass houses. Watch the Leafs have a successful season after firing Babcock.
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I'm sure they will have some success after firing Babcock but the underlying flaws of that team still exist and a coaching change will not fix it. It will make them suck less. It won't make them a contender.
 
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danielpalfredsson said:
The sweet spot is for the Leafs to finish with the 11th-14th type pick in a very deep draft. That way, it's an unprotected very good young player.

I still can't fathom why we didn't beat out the Hurricane's offer. I would love to know the inside story behind that. I would hope it was the Leafs preferring to send the pick to Carolina, and not us refusing to spend the cash.
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We apparently had 3.25M left in the budget to acquire Namestnikov, at the cost of a pick, so spending 4M to get a 1st should have been a no brainer.

Especially when that 1st could potentially be turned into a young difference maker on a 3YR ELC that would save Melnyk a ton of money. Think of how much money Chabot and White earning under 1M the last couple years has saved Melnyk compared to if he had to pay a comparable quality UFA.

Even if it was the Leafs not wanting to send a 1st in the division (which I doubt, Dubas isn't Dorion), we could have beat the Canes offer by sending them a sweetener like a secondary player, prospect or pick.

Does seem like a missed opportunity.
 
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Babcock could help us greatly with the tank I'd think, plus he wouldn't need to be compensated to highly because of his monster payout from the Leafs, I wonder if he had any clauses to not work immediately with another team?
 
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