-
Xenforo Cloud will be upgrading us to version 2.3.5 on March 3rd at 12 AM GMT. This version has increased stability and fixes several bugs. We expect downtime for the duration of the update. The admin team will continue to work on existing issues, templates and upgrade all necessary available addons to minimize impact of this new version. Click Here for Updates
- Status
JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK
Twenty f*ckin years
- Oct 8, 2010
- 80,067
- 17,708
Two weeks vacation for Torts in mid season, sounds great to me 
"Player Selection" It was the same bs in the Buffalo Toronto preseason brawl.
"Player Selection" It was the same bs in the Buffalo Toronto preseason brawl.
Raspewtin
Stay at home defenseman hater
- May 30, 2013
- 44,300
- 21,901
Two weeks vacation for Torts in mid season, sounds great to me
"Player Selection" It was the same bs in the Buffalo Toronto preseason brawl.
But the difference is John Scott actually went after Phil Kessel. That deserves a fine.
Now if Kevin Westgarth went after Henrik Sedin on the opening faceoff, that warrants a fine. But poor player selection on its own doesn't break any rules.
Boruto
.
- Jun 27, 2011
- 15,613
- 436
why not? Should have been more. Clown bush league move instigating fights. Just as there's a difference between in-game accidental heat of the moment dangerous checks and malevolent intent to injure, heat of the moment fights and orchestrated fights are different.
I don't know, it was Scott going after Kessel and he rightfully got suspended for it. Are coaches responsible for their players? Toronto had last change, so I doubt Rolston wanted or even expected Scott to go after Kessel. He basically got fined for putting out his 4th line. And it wasn't even the opening faceoff.
Raspewtin
Stay at home defenseman hater
- May 30, 2013
- 44,300
- 21,901
I'm not saying he didn't deserve a fine, but he didn't break any rules. So there should be no fine. It makes the NHL looks overreactive.
We can't say for sure that if Torts didn't ice his goons, that McGrattan, Westgarth, and co would have started anything.
Again, poor player selection isn't a finable offense.
Raspewtin
Stay at home defenseman hater
- May 30, 2013
- 44,300
- 21,901
To keep face, the NHL will almost always fine a coach in an incident like that. You play a goon, and off the faceoff he tries to attack an innocent skill player? There's no dimension of the NHL where that wouldn't get fined. Serious PR problems.
wtf such a bad call. Reaves skating and the player from the Red Wings falls down before and got called for roughing
Boruto
.
- Jun 27, 2011
- 15,613
- 436
It should be. It's not "poor player selection".
Realistically, it's "intent to clown". It's not what the game needs, it's an embarrassment and unnecessary violence and putting players in unnecessary harm.
If there's enough validity to the anti-fighting stance to have a potential shift in the NHL's position on fighting in the game, there's certainly no excuse for staged fights especially against unwilling opponents.
I could understand it if the coach deliberately sends out his goons against the opposite team's skill players, but in that instance Rolston could hardly anticipate Toronto sending out Kessel against the goons and then Scott attacking him...
Boruto
.
- Jun 27, 2011
- 15,613
- 436
I don't think there's debate on what Hartley's intention was . He knew what he was doing, he saw what was coming, he wanted it to happen, and it happened the way he expected it to happen. He did all of that and then stood aside and didn't speak to Torts, didn't respond to Torts or anyone. He knew what he was doing.
Raspewtin
Stay at home defenseman hater
- May 30, 2013
- 44,300
- 21,901
But there's no intent. This isn't a murder investigation. Playing his 4th line doesn't reasonably conclude that he iced them to attack skill players. Is it embarrassing? Of course. Is Bob Hartley a clown? Yes he is. He didn't. Break. Any. Rules. No skill players got hurt, he didn't do anything over the top.
I'm with you, I agree that he's a ****ing clown. I agree that it's garbage. But it doesn't warrant a fine. The one special occasion where this would warrant a fine is if an innocent player got attacked or hurt by the actions of the goon. Ex. John Scott on Phil Kessel.
Raspewtin
Stay at home defenseman hater
- May 30, 2013
- 44,300
- 21,901
Unfortunately, you and I don't have concrete evidence of any of this.
It's just an observation. There's no actual proof anywhere. The closest to proof is Kevin Westgarth taking a faceoff.
Boruto
.
- Jun 27, 2011
- 15,613
- 436
You don't send out the fourth line to start a game. What? do you want to play 4th line against 1st line and start the game that way to energize your team? Burke wanted toughness, Hartley did exactly that with that line up.
It's not about the rules. NHL contradicts itself with the "no rule, no consequence" rule in Emery vs. Holtby and now pulls one out here. NHL isn't doing much right nowadays with these rulings because of the lack of consistent and predictable consequences. However, this fine is correct insofar that Hartley deserved it and the message needed to be out there.
If your team isn't playing with fire, could coaches just send out their fourth line and force (yes, force) the opposition to engage in a line brawl? What if the opposition doesn't have fighters? What is Scott on Kessel repeats? It's bush league, it can't happen.
It's not about the rules. NHL contradicts itself with the "no rule, no consequence" rule in Emery vs. Holtby and now pulls one out here. NHL isn't doing much right nowadays with these rulings because of the lack of consistent and predictable consequences. However, this fine is correct insofar that Hartley deserved it and the message needed to be out there.
If your team isn't playing with fire, could coaches just send out their fourth line and force (yes, force) the opposition to engage in a line brawl? What if the opposition doesn't have fighters? What is Scott on Kessel repeats? It's bush league, it can't happen.
Last edited:
- Status
