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What evidence? Why do we need definitive evidence? We're not convicting murderers like you said. In civil suits, you don't need the same standard of definitive proof as in criminal cases. It's even less so here. What Hartley did was fairly clear to the league and the message Burke and Hartley collectively represented before that game is no mystery either. THe balance of probabilities says Hartley knew what he was doing and because this isn't a murder investigation, even if Hartley didn't know, he's at fault nonetheless because he's an NHL coach. It would be negligent of him to be oblivious. Intent isn't the issue. The issue is whether or not we should tolerate this type of stuff and the answer is no.

Hell, if you need definitive proof to make a judgement call, who says Torts was there to start something? Maybe he was just going to yell, push, and shove without ever trying to engage in anyone beyond those actions. We know that's not true but hey, there's no definitive proof that his intents were to engage further. They suspended Torts on that balance of probabilities and they fined Hartley the same way.
 
The NHL is never doing anything right, ever.

Hartley deserved the fine, but handing out fines to coaches who didn't break any rules doesn't make the NHL look any better than if it hadn't handed out the fine.

Torts still pulled the ****ing garbage that he did, the players all dropped the gloves, it all happened anyway. The NHL is already a joke, and fining Hartley doesn't change that.

And for the umpteenth time, I agree that he deserved the fine.
 
Well, if the issue is with the league contradicting itself with the "lack of rule" line when choosing to pursue disciplinary actions, they made the right decision this time.
 
This is a totally grey area topic that the NHL can't make a rule on, it seems.

If this gets fines for the coach, then the Devils-Rangers opening brawls, and everything similar should too.

That's the end of how I feel about this.

P.S. I don't know why but I really love your avi.
 
Raspewtin said:
This is a totally grey area topic that the NHL can't make a rule on, it seems.

If this gets fines for the coach, then the Devils-Rangers opening brawls, and everything similar should too.

That's the end of how I feel about this.
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It's an evolution, I suppose.

The Rolston Scott Kessel thing set precedence and now Hartley precedence is in place.
 
I would have to imagine that Hartley's fine has to do with his previous history of pulling this sort of crap and instigating brawls. He's even been accused of promoting head-hunting in the past, and obviously the league is trying to get rid of that mentality.

The Leafs routed the Thrashers in 2005 and Hartley sent out his players to start problems:

"You bet I'm upset," Quinn fumed after the game that saw the Thrashers take 87 minutes in penalties, 73 in the third period. "That's trying to hurt people and there should be no place in the game for that. We'll see what things are made of here. It's a bloody disgrace."

Quinn called the hit on Tucker "head-hunting" and also complained about a hit by Patrik Stefan, not known for his physicality, on Nik Antropov with 3:40 left in the game. Antropov had passed the puck and was turning away when Stefan hit him high with his shoulder.

"That hit on Nik at the end, the blind shot, a sucker shot, cowardly, that's all it is. That's not good strong hockey that's a bunch of cowards for chrissakes," Quinn said.

Quinn complained that Hartley's teams have a history of such tactics.

"He promotes it. That's his history," Quinn said.
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/columns/story?id=2191812
 
Jackman makes it 2-1... shocking their are no rumors of him coming to the Rangers...
 
All the suspension does is add to the legend of Torts.
He has passion and is overly emotional. Hartly and Burke know this and know exactly how he would react.
 
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