OT: Around the NHL: That Bedard kid is okay at hockey

[Gurglesons]

Not sure where you heard that, but it’s the first time I’ve ever hear of Raty being called they kind of player.

He’s by no means a blue chip prospect, but was projected as a high as #1 overall leading up to his draft year and his stock fell. He’s got pretty high offensive upside and he’s put up very respectable numbers in the A. I doubt pens have a prospect outside of Pickering and possibly Blomquist that teams would value any higher than him just to give some perspective. He’s much more of a boom or bust prospect than a guy like Fehr.

Raty’s big knock is his skating but he looked great in the NHL games I saw him in this year (2).

 

[SomeDude]

Raty’s big knock is his skating but he looked great in the NHL games I saw him in this year (2).

He’s the type of player I wish we would gamble on in the mid rounds instead of aloof North American wingers who’s last name sound like a dog barfing. Sprong…hack… Broz!

 

[BigEezyE22]

Also, Raty as the “prospect” in that deal is just bad. For a team with the worst defensive prospect pool in the league - Bolduc and Odelius would have been my ask with a higher retention.

I was wondering why @BigEezyE22 replied with no post and then I see you replied in the quote…

“Maybe Minnesota can trade Reaves and Gustafson for that package...make him 3C...”

Billy dumping Suter and Parise was tough, he needed them gone and no one would take them due to the term they had left and the amount he’d need to retain as well as their clauses.

Better spacing this time..

The Reaves and Gustafson (I guess a first needed as well) was reference to the Brassard trade, who was also a $5m +/- player with 40% I think retained.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Not sure where you heard that, but it’s the first time I’ve ever hear of Raty being called they kind of player.

He’s by no means a blue chip prospect, but was projected as a high as #1 overall leading up to his draft year and his stock fell. He’s got pretty high offensive upside and he’s put up very respectable numbers in the A. I doubt pens have a prospect outside of Pickering and possibly Blomquist that teams would value any higher than him just to give some perspective. He’s much more of a boom or bust prospect than a guy like Fehr.

I gave it a quick skim earlier in the year because I was hopeful he'd fall far enough to take a shot at him in his draft year but didn't happen.

iirc Fehr was kind of highly regarded as a draftee. Wasn't he a 1st rounder?

I dunno. Probably doesn't help playing on the Isles.

 

[ThreeLeftSkates]

You think Allvin won? I think the Canucks lost this one.

Beauvillier is definitely a product of Barzal and Raty? Raty has the skill but he’s just not quick and maybe being in the West would help in the past but speed is the trend that won’t go away and he’s struggled there. Protected first is a nice add but I don’t know if I call this a win for the Canucks.

Any word on if Horvat is wanting to extend with the NYI?

Beau has only played with Barzal a few times. Fast, not much else. Raty needs skating lessons. We burned his first year already.

 

[MetalheadPenguinsFan]

All I said regarding the Hull situation was “sympathies.”

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Beau has only played with Barzal a few times. Fast, not much else. Raty needs skating lessons. We burned his first year already.

I meant previous seasons for Beauvillier. Otherwise I agree. One is too slow to be a regular and the other is a glorified 3rd liner. Isles made out like bandits either way.

Better spacing this time..

The Reaves and Gustafson (I guess a first needed as well) was reference to the Brassard trade, who was also a $5m +/- player with 40% I think retained.

That deal was a mess. The start of JR giving Sully everything he wanted and having it still fail spectacularly.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

I gave it a quick skim earlier in the year because I was hopeful he'd fall far enough to take a shot at him in his draft year but didn't happen.

iirc Fehr was kind of highly regarded as a draftee. Wasn't he a 1st rounder?

I dunno. Probably doesn't help playing on the Isles.

Being slow as shit doesn’t help.

Then again on the pens he’d be slow as shit and never given a chance.

 

[HandshakeLine]

At some point, some club is going to figure out that being big and slow can work with the right team setup and then the league's going to shift back that way. I don't know if it's going to happen in like 3 seasons or 13, but it's going to come.

 

[CascadiaPenguin]

At some point, some club is going to figure out that being big and slow can work with the right team setup and then the league's going to shift back that way. I don't know if it's going to happen in like 3 seasons or 13, but it's going to come.

I think you may be right (even if you're kidding), even tho many of today's biggen's are a hell of a lot bigger, faster and fitter than those 35 years ago. It wasn't too many years ago that the NFL decided tight ends were essentially useless dinosaurs. Then the TEs, and the offensive schemes, evolved, much to the chagrin of LBs who prefer to rush the edge or crush RBs versus covering 6 ft 6 monsters who can run a 4.6 and sport 82 inch wingspans. Coordinators pretend to have an angle, but it is all temporary, and any leagues with relative parity are basically copy cats. Hence the Pens demise into mediocrity.

 

[HandshakeLine]

I think you may be right (even if you're kidding), even tho many of today's biggen's are a hell of a lot bigger, faster and fitter than those 35 years ago. It wasn't too many years ago that the NFL decided tight ends were essentially useless dinosaurs. Then the TEs, and the offensive schemes, evolved, much to the chagrin of LBs who prefer to rush the edge or crush RBs versus covering 6 ft 6 monsters who can run a 4.6 and sport 82 inch wingspans. Coordinators pretend to have an angle, but it is all temporary, and any leagues with relative parity are basically copy cats. Hence the Pens demise into mediocrity.

I am actually 100% serious.

Think of it this way, if you've got a lighter smaller team who is faster and more talented, how do you beat them? You force them to the outside and outmuscle them, tie them up on the boards, hit them to wear them down. All the league needs is for a team or two to lean heavily into that at the right time when everyone goes lighter. Again, you might be able to hold that recalibration off with rule changes and better reffing for a bit, but I think it's coming. It's the natural sort of cycle of play.

 

[HandshakeLine]

f***in' lol, Bezos is such an utter nerd:

Music group fired for ridiculing Jeff Bezos

The NHL’s Seattle Kraken fired a popular local music indie group after one game of a scheduled three-game performance – and a heated public dispute is raging over whether it was prompted by lyrics ridiculing Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos, according to the Seattle Times.The group known as “Who is She?”...

www.rawstory.com

 

[Big McLargehuge]

f***in' lol, Bezos is such an utter nerd:

Music group fired for ridiculing Jeff Bezos

The NHL’s Seattle Kraken fired a popular local music indie group after one game of a scheduled three-game performance – and a heated public dispute is raging over whether it was prompted by lyrics ridiculing Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos, according to the Seattle Times.The group known as “Who is She?”...

www.rawstory.com

Grovel, peasants.

 

[HandshakeLine]

I can't vouch for the quality of the group (the name sounds like a bad omen) but f***in lol at this bazillionaire being that sensitive.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

I think the only trend that will happen with big players is that they’ll learn to skate.

 

[Andy99]

Of course the Caps and the Canes won tonight…

 

[Gurglesons]

Burke rocks.

 

[HandshakeLine]

Burke rocks.

He really is a Mensch.

 

[BusinessGoose]

I read it is, we want everyone... But also this fragments us.

I honestly can't tell where burke stands from that quote.

 

[Pens1566]

I can't vouch for the quality of the group (the name sounds like a bad omen) but f***in lol at this bazillionaire being that sensitive.

You'd be a delicate snowflake too if everyone around spent all day blowing sunshine up your skirt and telling you your farts didn't stink just for the chance to pick up some of the random millions you leave in a trail behind you.

I think the only trend that will happen with big players is that they’ll learn to skate.

I'm not so sure about that. See it all the time in youth leagues of different sports. The physically bigger kids in the age group dominate just based on that and never really have to develop much of anything else. As the ages go up, the disparity diminishes and the more talented skill wise rise to the top.

I'm looking at you 5'8 ten yr old pushing kids around on the pitch. Only to be an immobile CB or keeper once you get your drivers license.

 

[HandshakeLine]

I mean big guys that skate do well in any era— Jagr, Ovechkin (before he od’d on horse drugs), Lemieux, etc. Skill and speed and vision need to be so much higher for smaller players relative to their size though.

 

[Turin]

Burke rocks.

Burke doesn’t understand what they have to do with each other, that’s fine he’s not one, but they are absolutely not compatible.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Burke rocks.

Atta boy Burke.

Now watch all the closeted ignorant wankers say they don’t agree.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

You'd be a delicate snowflake too if everyone around spent all day blowing sunshine up your skirt and telling you your farts didn't stink just for the chance to pick up some of the random millions you leave in a trail behind you.



I'm not so sure about that. See it all the time in youth leagues of different sports. The physically bigger kids in the age group dominate just based on that and never really have to develop much of anything else. As the ages go up, the disparity diminishes and the more talented skill wise rise to the top.

I'm looking at you 5'8 ten yr old pushing kids around on the pitch. Only to be an immobile CB or keeper once you get your drivers license.

I think a lot of big lads can skate now and work on it knowing they won’t go far if they don’t. The thing about speed is that before the clutch and grab and the head shots were more prevalent. So a small player would get wrecked and big players reigned supreme until the rules made that stuff illegal as it should. Now skill and speed are a requirement, skill varies but speed/quickness is a definite requirement to get a regular role.

Raty for example has a lethal release but he’s slower than Andrew Brunette, the last of the talented slow players, after he left there were none. Raty has made the slowest strides (pun intended) in his skating since his draft year. Weird player to pick when the Isles had some young D that Vancouver desperately needs.

But even Zohorna only ever made it because for a bloke his size he could skate. If all he did was crush players and skate slower than Hal Gill, he’d get maybe 2-3 games and gone.

 

[BigEezyE22]

Burke rocks.

Except at his actual job.