OT: Around the NHL: That Bedard kid is okay at hockey

[Gurglesons]

Yeah, not a great group but I’d still prefer Horvat over Larkin

They're pretty comparable. Larkin has never had any forward support, but yeah both overrated players.

I have loved Horvat from day one though. Dude just has gamer ability and has proven it a ton.

 

[Tacitus Kilgore]

I think Detroit is smart not to sign him, but I think he could be a good piece on the right team. Probably a good fit for Boston tbh.

Any team with him as their main offensive guy, is likely not a contender by any means. Def would be a great piece on a contender like Boston though

I wonder if Larkin's gonna find another level if he leaves Detroit or if he's always gonna leave his team/GM/fans wanting more from the dude.

Duchene 2.0 I'm tellin y'all

 

[Gurglesons]

Any team with him as their main offensive guy, is likely not a contender by any means. Def would be a great piece on a contender like Boston though



Duchene 2.0 I'm tellin y'all

Duchene has had some good seasons on bad teams. Plus the issue with Duchene is he wasn't necessarily always a C..

 

[Tacitus Kilgore]

Duchene has had some good seasons on bad teams. Plus the issue with Duchene is he wasn't necessarily always a C..

Sounds like Larkin. I'm not so much harping on their position. But them being a local guy drafted to his hometown/state team. Highly touted, starts out pretty great, looks to be an elite level player in the making. Not a franchise players though.

Who then doesn't quiteeee meet those lofty expectations. Becomes disillusioned with his hometown/state team. Leaves in UFA or traded away unceremoniously

 

[Gurglesons]

Sounds like Larkin. I'm not so much harping on their position. But them being a local guy drafted to his hometown/state team. Highly touted, starts out pretty great, looks to be an elite level player in the making. Not a franchise players though.

Who then doesn't quiteeee meet those lofty expectations. Becomes disillusioned with his hometown/state team. Leaves in UFA or traded away unceremoniously

If Larkin gets 8-8.5 million in UFA that isn't really "franchise" player money anymore. Like Josh Norris and Robert Thomas are making that.

Guentzel is going to likely be making 8.5-9 mil on his next deal. Is he a franchise player?

 

[Tacitus Kilgore]

If Larkin gets 8-8.5 million in UFA that isn't really "franchise" player money anymore. Like Josh Norris and Robert Thomas are making that.

Guentzel is going to likely be making 8.5-9 mil on his next deal. Is he a franchise player?

Oh yea that's not quite what I meant. I think Larkin is worth 7ish on a better team. But you're right that Detroit should prob move on and not become saddled with the hit.

 

[Gurglesons]

Oh yea that's not quite what I meant. I think Zegras is worth 7ish on a better team. But you're right that Detroit should prob move on and not become saddled with the hit.

I think Detroit should trade him at the deadline tbh.

I think Detroit should trade all their UFAs.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Any team with him as their main offensive guy, is likely not a contender by any means. Def would be a great piece on a contender like Boston though



Duchene 2.0 I'm tellin y'all

Probably a pretty apt comparison.

 

[Tacitus Kilgore]

I think Detroit should trade him at the deadline tbh.

I think Detroit should trade all their UFAs.

They would get a sick return at the deadline to a contender. They might have to retain though since cap is maxed out on most contenders

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Detroit looked like a team poised to make some headway toward competing to losing Vrana, Ned turning into a pumpkin, and maybe Larkin being dealt. Side note: Remember when everyone had a huge hard-on for Bertuzzi? Then he posted like 4pts in 18 games or something before going down to injury earlier this year.

 

[CascadiaPenguin]

Larkin is only 26 though big difference.

Also yes. After him it's like Horvat, Toews, ROR, etc.

It was a quite spectacular f***up by the Canucks. Not only did they NOT take a King's ransom for a TDL trade for J.T., but they then, being a capped team that has got little choice but to rebuild, locks him in a ridiculous deal that has YET to kick in, and will be unmovable regardless what happens to the salary cap. Rutherford has become the bringer of death. Between his last 5 years and the despicable way he let Bruce dangle, that man is DAMN lucky he got into the HHOF when he did. Shelf life has expired for sure.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

LMAO…Dylan Larkin wants more than $8M per on an 8 year contract…he just turned down the Wings latest contract offer to that effect apparently lol…he has 43 points in 47 games and is their number one center…he’s 10 years younger than Geno isn’t anywhere near as good as him even at age 36…

thank god the Caps lost…

It’s the most subtle way of a player saying he is older and wants to test the market with a playoff team. I wouldn’t read too much into that because in the summer when he signs with a new team, it won’t be for that much.

Detroit looked like a team poised to make some headway toward competing to losing Vrana, Ned turning into a pumpkin, and maybe Larkin being dealt. Side note: Remember when everyone had a huge hard-on for Bertuzzi? Then he posted like 4pts in 18 games or something before going down to injury earlier this year.

I wanted no part of Bert.

Larkin is going to be a TDL deal and if Yzerman is smart, he can still do a ton with this that helps his rebuild.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

That's just NHL coaches, they're almost all pricks. Herb Brooks, Pat Quinn, Lindy Ruff, Hitchcock, Laviolette, Tortorella, Therrien, Julien, Maurice, the list goes on and on for decades. Especially guys who bark like Sully. Their whole thing is trying to get the respect of the room by barking and being tough, and pretty often that causes a rift because players are also grown adults and that kinda shit's stupid. Shit, Bylsma wanted so desperately to be one of the guys and be liked by his players that he was pathetic, but even he had his favorites, drove young guys off the team like Despres, and never, ever would've made playing Jake, Rust or Sheary a priority.

It's still another universe from the kinda shit Babcock did though, and I think it's shitty to try and even a little bit equate the two. His players hate his guts because he's a repugnant piece of shit, not because he was a gruff coach. He was, and probably still is, a complete scumbag human.

Bylsma did what Sullivan is doing. There’s no difference in the way either has dealt with favorites and f***ing over youth. Both had their “young guys” from wbs when they came up and both prioritize vets and pandered to the core.

We’re literally seeing a repeat and the pens took too long to fire Bylsma then and didn’t learn with Sullivan. That’s the tragedy. You’re doomed to repeat mistakes if you don’t learn from your own history.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

It’s the most subtle way of a player saying he is older and wants to test the market with a playoff team. I wouldn’t read too much into that because in the summer when he signs with a new team, it won’t be for that much.


I wanted no part of Bert.

Larkin is going to be a TDL deal and if Yzerman is smart, he can still do a ton with this that helps his rebuild.

Yeah, I think it takes a real proactive approach to rebuilding, man. You gotta be willing to just rip the band-aid off, accept that shit's gonna suck for a good number of years, and hope you hit some draft scores through exceptional scouting and a colossal amount of luck.

I'm dreading the possibility that this team goes out and signs somebody like Larkin for huge dollars to try and remain pseudo-competitive once the era's finally over. That sorta half-assed, cut corners bullshit just makes rebuilds even longer.

A team like the Rangers lucked into a top-3, maybe top-2 blueliner in Fox, Panarin wanted to live in NYC, they hit big on the Brassard-Zibanejad thing, lucked into two top-2 picks and they're still pretty mediocre unless Shesterkin's gulping down some of Ovechkin's horse steroids.

Bylsma did what Sullivan is doing. There’s no difference in the way either has dealt with favorites and f***ing over youth. Both had their “young guys” from wbs when they came up and both prioritize vets and pandered to the core.

We’re literally seeing a repeat and the pens took too long to fire Bylsma then and didn’t learn with Sullivan. That’s the tragedy. You’re doomed to repeat mistakes if you don’t learn from your own history.

Yeah, no, I agree. My point is that by and large, that's just NHL coaches--with very few exceptions. It's pretty rare to have a guy be as open and willing to work with youth and accentuate a roster's strengths when the alternative is so much easier and, because this league sucks, safe as far as success goes. Nobody loves their no-name loser 4th line vets and bottom pairing d-men who slop the game up and make for an awful product like the NHL and its execs/coaches.

This f***ing organization, man. Hell, the city's cursed when it comes to coaches, I hear. But f*** the Steelers, I don't know shit about that team or Tomlin.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Commodore is a piece of shit though.

Yes but he’s also hilarious since he’s super candid.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Yeah, I think it takes a real proactive approach to rebuilding, man. You gotta be willing to just rip the band-aid off, accept that shit's gonna suck for a good number of years, and hope you hit some draft scores through exceptional scouting and a colossal amount of luck.

I'm dreading the possibility that this team goes out and signs somebody like Larkin for huge dollars to try and remain pseudo-competitive once the era's finally over. That sorta half-assed, cut corners bullshit just makes rebuilds even longer.

A team like the Rangers lucked into a top-3, maybe top-2 blueliner in Fox, Panarin wanted to live in NYC, they hit big on the Brassard-Zibanejad thing, lucked into two top-2 picks and they're still pretty mediocre unless Shesterkin's gulping down some of Ovechkin's horse steroids.


Yeah, no, I agree. My point is that by and large, that's just NHL coaches--with very few exceptions. It's pretty rare to have a guy be as open and willing to work with youth and accentuate a roster's strengths when the alternative is so much easier and, because this league sucks, safe as far as success goes. Nobody loves their no-name loser 4th line vets and bottom pairing d-men who slop the game up and make for an awful product like the NHL and its execs/coaches.

This f***ing organization, man. Hell, the city's cursed when it comes to coaches, I hear. But f*** the Steelers, I don't know shit about that team or Tomlin.

Mate I think it’s the same when you have the same wankers playing musical chairs. It’s why I was going on about Warsofsky as the Pens next head coach. The issue with the NHL is that there’s too many of these awfully archaic coaches that just move around from team to team. Following friends around and not moving around to learn from them.

Coaches like Monty in Boston (after leaving Dallas on rough circumstances) etc are not enough new faces in the NHL that aren’t coaches that spent years behind some grizzled old fart.

Brindy is also a good one that has learned from some old coaches (Maurice, Peters, Muller). But a bloke that spent all 6 years after being fired by the Bruins with Torts, might not have the experience to draw upon to fix his own issues.

 

[Josey Wales]

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We are saddened by the passing of Blackhawks legend, the Golden Jet - Bobby Hull.

 

[The Old Master]

I wonder which Ranger player had an issue with it that prompted the team to not bother so that that one player wouldn't be spotlighted like Provorov.

I'm sure it was closer to half the team. when you have one guy willing to stand against the mob, others will follow.

 

[Gurglesons]

I'm sure it was closer to half the team. when you have one gut willing to stand against the mob, others will follow.

Why’d they hate DeAngelo then?

 

[The Old Master]

Why’d they hate DeAngelo then?

group think.

 

[Nikolajs Sillers]

I think Detroit is smart not to sign him, but I think he could be a good piece on the right team. Probably a good fit for Boston tbh.

I think he will be re-signed eventually.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Weird how what the New York Bigots doing what they did wasn’t bigger news.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

I am f***ing pissed off.
Explain this bullshit to me @Zirakzigil @Scandale du Jour @BHD

Speaking the truth, things that are facts and confirmed by his own kids is now “against the rules”

This board is so ignorant and difficult for poc and other walks of live and openly accepts hateful people as kin. This absolutely doesn’t help disapprove that feeling.

Hull literally hated the fact that blacks were growing in numbers and just generally didn’t like us and then the Hitler thing and several instances of abuse towards his wives and let’s not forget the stuff his own kids say he did.

Limit my account because I did literally nothing but post facts about someone that even the low life Hawks stopped trotting around?

Someone PM me alternative Pens boards I can post on.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Why do I even bother. I doubt anyone would even fight that on my behalf knowing full well that’s a bullshit warning point.

What a farce. I thought this place had a backbone.

 

[Scandale du Jour]

I am f***ing pissed off.
Explain this bullshit to me @Zirakzigil @Scandale du Jour @BHD

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Speaking the truth, things that are facts and confirmed by his own kids is now “against the rules”

This board is so ignorant and difficult for poc and other walks of live and openly accepts hateful people as kin. This absolutely doesn’t help disapprove that feeling.

Hull literally hated the fact that blacks were growing in numbers and just generally didn’t like us and then the Hitler thing and several instances of abuse towards his wives and let’s not forget the stuff his own kids say he did.

Limit my account because I did literally nothing but post facts about someone that even the low life Hawks stopped trotting around?

Someone PM me alternative Pens boards I can post on.

I've got nothin'...