Around the NHL: PTO Season Becomes Waiver Season

[Jim Bob]

 

[joshjull]

I’m kinda amazed Matthews doesn’t have any trade protection on his extension. He had incredible leverage.

Maybe there will be updates to the initial reporting that says he does.But as of right now Capfriendly is saying he doesn’t. That gives Leafs management flexibility if things go South.

 

[Gras]

I’m kinda amazed Matthews doesn’t have any trade protection on his extension. He had incredible leverage.

Maybe there will be updates to the initial reporting that says he does.But as of right now Capfriendly is saying he doesn’t. That gives Leafs management flexibility if things go South.

You don't think the AAV is trade protection enough?

 

[SnuggaRUDE]

I’m kinda amazed Matthews doesn’t have any trade protection on his extension. He had incredible leverage.

Maybe there will be updates to the initial reporting that says he does.But as of right now Capfriendly is saying he doesn’t. That gives Leafs management flexibility if things go South.

Might be the same reason he didn't sign a longer contract?

You don't think the AAV is trade protection enough?

He's worth that AAV, and then some.

 

[Gras]

Might be the same reason he didn't sign a longer contract?



He's worth that AAV, and then some.

He's worth it, but how many teams would be able to take on that cap and provide the necessary assets to acquire

 

[SnuggaRUDE]

He's worth it, but how many teams would be able to take on that cap and provide the necessary assets to acquire

Quite a few since Toronto would never trade him while trying to win. It'd look like the Eichel trade. Not a 1 for 1, but similar in structure.

Salary going back + Prospect(s) + Pick(s)

 

[joshjull]

Quite a few since Toronto would never trade him while trying to win. It'd look like the Eichel trade. Not a 1 for 1, but similar in structure.

Salary going back + Prospect(s) + Pick(s)

A Matthews trade should garner more. There wouldn’t be the complication of neck injury and a new type of surgery. It reduced the suitors.

Might be the same reason he didn't sign a longer contract?

I don’t think so.

If the theory is he signed for 4 yrs to give himself flexibility on where he plays(not sure I buy that). Surrendering trade control to the Leafs is the opposite of that.

 

[CaliSabresfan24]

Granted Tage and Dahls will be over Matthews AAV next year

 

[Rowley Birkin]

I’m kinda amazed Matthews doesn’t have any trade protection on his extension. He had incredible leverage.

Maybe there will be updates to the initial reporting that says he does.But as of right now Capfriendly is saying he doesn’t. That gives Leafs management flexibility if things go South.

The contract he got was very player friendly in terms of the length combined with the AAV.

Toronto (and anyone else hoping to sign their elite talent) got bent over enough IMO. Any trade protection would have made it ridiculously lopsided.

And while Matthews is obviously a great player - i think he's over rated. He's not a top five player in the league regardless of contract status - again IMO. Top 15-20 is more realistic.

I'd take Dahlin over him 10/10 times if given the choice.

 

[Jim Bob]

Elias Pettersson says extensions talks are 'on hold' with Vancouver Canucks | TSN

Vancouver Canucks star Elias Pettersson has put extension talks "on hold" as he prepares for the upcoming season.

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[TageGod]

Elias Pettersson says extensions talks are 'on hold' with Vancouver Canucks | TSN

Vancouver Canucks star Elias Pettersson has put extension talks "on hold" as he prepares for the upcoming season.

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The man immediately realized how much more money he can get looking at Matthews deal.

 

[Jim Bob]

The man immediately realized how much more money he can get looking at Matthews deal.

I think he made that comment before Matthews signed the new deal as he was interviewed in Europe on Wednesday and the Matthews news broke Wednesday evening EST.

 

[old kummelweck]

This is the f***ing market. I hate fans and commentators bitching about the Matthews deal like he shouldn't have asked for it. This is how it works. The fact that it can throw the cap out of wack or impact the teams competitiveness is 100% on the owners. They can fix all of this if they want to.

I also don't blame Matthews giving himself an out in 5 years. You just need to listen to Kipper and Bourne for 5 minutes to understand why players don't love committing to that team.

 

[Jim Bob]

This is the f***ing market. I hate fans and commentators bitching about the Matthews deal like he shouldn't have asked for it. This is how it works. The fact that it can throw the cap out of wack or impact the teams competitiveness is 100% on the owners. They can fix all of this if they want to.

I also don't blame Matthews giving himself an out in 5 years. You just need to listen to Kipper and Bourne for 5 minutes to understand why players don't love committing to that team.

I don't know that anything is really broken from an ownership POV.

 

[old kummelweck]

I don't know that anything is really broken from an ownership POV.

Exactly.

 

[Jim Bob]

 

[TageGod]

I think he made that comment before Matthews signed the new deal as he was interviewed in Europe on Wednesday and the Matthews news broke Wednesday evening EST.

He could have heard rumblings. It is probably unrelated though.

 

[yahhockey]

This isn't on you, it's on Allan Walsh for seemingly being inaccurate. The MLB 70 million seemed high. According to Spotrac it is 43.3 million. A google search led to an article saying Ohtani was making 70 including endorsements but that isn't the same as salary. I tried adjusting the year to 2024 and onward in case a new contract begins in the future however 43.3 remained the highest listed through any season up to 2028.

2025 MLB Rankings

Listing the top salaries, cap hits, cash, earnings, contracts, and bonuses, for all active MLB players.

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It is impossible to compare the leagues apples to apples due to varying roster size, rookie contracts, arbitration rights and other items I failed to consider.

 

[Gras]

I don't know that anything is really broken from an ownership POV.

He should have thrown the WNBA on there for a good chuckle.

 

[old kummelweck]

He's gone.

 

[Jim Bob]

This isn't on you, it's on Allan Walsh for seemingly being inaccurate. The MLB 70 million seemed high. According to Spotrac it is 43.3 million. A google search led to an article saying Ohtani was making 70 including endorsements but that isn't the same as salary. I tried adjusting the year to 2024 and onward in case a new contract begins in the future however 43.3 remained the highest listed through any season up to 2028.

2025 MLB Rankings

Listing the top salaries, cap hits, cash, earnings, contracts, and bonuses, for all active MLB players.

www.spotrac.com

It is impossible to compare the leagues apples to apples due to varying roster size, rookie contracts, arbitration rights and other items I failed to consider.

Walsh overstates things on the regular. But, in general, he is right that the current system is about as lopsided towards the owners as you are likely to see in the top 4 pro sports.

 

[dotcommunism]

I’m kinda amazed Matthews doesn’t have any trade protection on his extension. He had incredible leverage.

Maybe there will be updates to the initial reporting that says he does.But as of right now Capfriendly is saying he doesn’t. That gives Leafs management flexibility if things go South.

CapFriendly now lists Matthews as having a full NMC for the duration of the contract.

 

[old kummelweck]

CapFriendly now lists Matthews as having a full NMC for the duration of the contract.

Matthews got really close to everything he wanted. Came up from 3 to 4 years. The way Toronto media made it seem, they could just bounce him out in 2 years if they wanted. Nope.

 

[Deep Blue Metallic]

He's gone.

I'd have to think so.

Matthews, Tavares, and Marner comprise 40% of the Leafs' cap. Nylander is coming off a superb 40G+47A season, making $7M. Surely he'll get $8M+ on his next contract, aged 28 when it begins. A minimum of 50% of their cap would be committed to 4 forwards.

He's the odd forward out, with a 10-team NTC. Tavares has a NMC and Marner's commenced July 1 iiuc.

An ideal Quinn replacement. We can auction him at the TDL if we're sellers. /s

 

[Rowley Birkin]

CapFriendly now lists Matthews as having a full NMC for the duration of the contract.

Damn. That is absolutely brutal.

If i were Toronto, I'd have looked at resigning Nylander instead (probably something in the 9-10m range?) & traded Matthews before his current NMC kicked in last month.

I'd have to think so.

Matthews, Tavares, and Marner comprise 40% of the Leafs' cap. Nylander is coming off a superb 40G+47A season, making $7M. Surely he'll get $8M+ on his next contract, aged 28 when it begins. A minimum of 50% of their cap would be committed to 4 forwards.

He's the odd forward out, with a 10-team NTC. Tavares has a NMC and Marner's commenced July 1 iiuc.

An ideal Quinn replacement. We can auction him at the TDL if we're sellers. /s

I doubt anybody is trading for Nylander as a short term rental. Either now, or at the TDL.