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OkimLom said:
What a short sighted decision. But hey, if it breaks Toronto and has them fall back down with the rest of the league, then so be it.
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Depending on who they hire as a GM. I think Dubas is overrated.
 
Fjordy said:
Depending on who they hire as a GM. I think Dubas is overrated.
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Me too.

He gets a ton of credit that I don’t understand. His two best players? Matthews and Marner. Inherited them and got taken behind the woodshed in contract negotiations. Inherited Nylander and Reilly as well. Signing Tavares set off the overpaying spree where he ends up paying three skilled forwards who had never won anything a ton of money. They’ve won one round. What GM couldn’t have inherited their best players, overpaid to keep them and signed captain bedsheets to a bad contract? He handicapped himself financially and couldn’t fix goaltending In 5 years. Was someone going to come in and do worse with Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Reilly and Tavares than four first round exits and one round 2 win?
 
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Fjordy said:
Depending on who they hire as a GM. I think Dubas is overrated.
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I just don’t think he’s the problem. He’s built a consistent top 5 team in the league. This just feels like a move done to appease a fanbase hungry for a championship for 5+ decades that wants to pile all that pressure onto a GM for 5 years.
 
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OkimLom said:
I just don’t think he’s the problem. He’s built a consistent top 5 team in the league. This just feels like a move done to appease a fanbase hungry for a championship for 5+ decades that wants to pile all that pressure onto a GM for 5 years.
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I just don’t see how he built it. Give me Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Reilly and a homesick Tavares combined with the cache of Toronto and the full cap…and I’ll get you five straight playoffs too.

That’s literally the minimum. He accomplished the minimum.
 
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OkimLom said:
I just don’t think he’s the problem. He’s built a consistent top 5 team in the league. This just feels like a move done to appease a fanbase hungry for a championship for 5+ decades that wants to pile all that pressure onto a GM for 5 years.
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Well, I can’t say with complete certainty that the problem is in him, without knowing what decisions he was responsible for. That is, it was Dubas who initiated the invitation of Tavares with such a contract, or the same Shanahan. It seems to me that Dubas' problem is that he gave such contracts to his stars and could not solve the problems of the defense and goalies, although this is very important in the playoffs. Also, his team looked constantly soft, which can also greatly affect the success of the playoffs. I don't want to dig deep into his trades, signings, and drafting right now, but there were miscalculations there too. Perhaps Dubas simply did not understand how to build a winning team and held on to his star players for too long, who twisted his hands with contracts.

I think he is still a very promising GM and this experience in Toronto can teach him a lot. If he's not a narrow-minded guy who thinks he's too cool and analyzes his mistakes in Toronto, then he can succeed in the NHL. I'm sure the demand in the NHL for it will definitely be.
 
He’s been a part of the organization for 10 years. He’s been a part of the building of the organization to what it is today.

He’s had a pretty good influence on the organization, an organization that would be in a great position in any other market. The fanbase and media will be the cause of their downfall. They will drive players out from their team.

Like I said, I’m not going to stop them from making a mistake. I just disagree with the decision.
 
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Der Jaeger said:
No they shouldn't. They should hire Hextall.
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Think higher - Chuck Fletcher. Or how about Ralph Krueger! He has some innovative coaching techniques that are legendary in Europe.

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You know, there’s something really petty and soothing in watching Toronto implode.

Besides our typical rivalry, the posters on this site were already talking about multiple cups like it was a given after they drafted Matthews and landed Tavares. Not just a group of people but a significant portion of them. Most intolerable fanbase imo
 
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All I can say with the recent change ups happening in our division, it's definitely up for grabs next season
 
I think Dubas did a good job bring in guys at the deadline but the contracts he gave out to Tavares, Mariner and Matthews was the first domino that lead to the leafs implosion.
 
OkimLom said:
I'd pay an untold amount of money to get the turn around foundational mindset that Babcock laid down vs what crap Bylsma laid down. Sure he might've been let go after a few seasons, but expectations from the players amongst themselves would've been better and the organization would've been in a better place. I'd say we wouldn't have had to deal with Krueger at any point.
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Babcock would have been a soap opera. As opposed to the B horror movie we've endured for the last decade.

Ah, well. Glad that's over.
 
Doug Prishpreed said:
Should we be worried that they're going to pilfer our front office? Karmanos et al.?
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Not sure - listening to Shanahan talking, it sounds like Shanny was PO'd about this weeks Dubas actions. If what Shanny said is true, Dubas did this to himself.

And in the meantime, I think Shanahan is too comfortable.
 
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Chainshot said:
Not sure - listening to Shanahan talking, it sounds like Shanny was PO'd about this weeks Dubas actions. If what Shanny said is true, Dubas did this to himself.

And in the meantime, I think Shanahan is too comfortable.
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As Steve Dangle said in his latest video, if Shanahan didn’t have multiple years on his deal he’d be gone as well. MLSE, just another company that pretended they’d spend it all to win unfazed by anything.
 
BuffaloGooner said:
As Steve Dangle said in his latest video, if Shanahan didn’t have multiple years on his deal he’d be gone as well. MLSE, just another company that pretended they’d spend it all to win unfazed by anything.
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It helps that MLSE is owned by the two biggest companies in Canada. You can not have a cell phone in Canada without giving money to one of those two. There’s only one bank available in Canada that those two companies don’t have a partial stake in. They’re so big that they own a stake in the Bruins arena.
 
Pete DeBoer has taken four different franchises to the conference finals since the last time we were in the playoffs.
 
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