Around the NHL - Part XXXVI

[NYR Viper]

Or maybe the fact is there is no such thing as 'natural immunity'. 'Natural immunity' meant you contracted COVID, and if you were unvaccinated, you had a very measurable and provable worse statistical outcome in severity, hospitalization rate, and death.

If you are to contract COVID, the best outcome is where you suffer the least adverse medical affect, and that group just happens to be vaccinated. The added bonus is people who have had COVID and are fully vaccinated, show the highest levels of antibodies.

Very much hoping the many players that got the J&J vaccine (since it had the 'easiest' vaccination schedule) are taking this break in the schedule to get much stronger protection via booster/mRNA vaccines.

Based on the data I have seen, the vaccine isn't a negative. Where it starts to get a bit more nebulous is in younger kids but that's another discussion.

Also, again, all of this talk about the vaccine doing its part, there is no discussion of early treatment to curtail the effects of COVID playing a BIG part in lower hospitalizations in adults. Just one example is Monoclonal antibodies but there are others that appear to have a positive effect on hospitalization and/or death. This topic appears to be taboo in many circles, for what reason, I have no idea. I still don't see enough stress put on these which appear to have as much, if not a greater effect on outcomes. Especially considering that while the vaccine has its place, none of these shots appear to be the end all, be all for any of us.

I know looking back to when I had COVID, the doctors just said, 'stay home and see how it goes' which is beyond horrible management of this virus' effects. I'm sure professional athletes are receiving top-end care and immediate spectrums of meds to diminish symptoms and lower the timeframe replication can occur.

 

[frozenrubber]

Based on the data I have seen, the vaccine isn't a negative. Where it starts to get a bit more nebulous is in younger kids but that's another discussion.

Also, again, all of this talk about the vaccine doing its part, there is no discussion of early treatment to curtail the effects of COVID playing a BIG part in lower hospitalizations in adults. Just one example is Monoclonal antibodies but there are others that appear to have a positive effect on hospitalization and/or death. This topic appears to be taboo in many circles, for what reason, I have no idea. I still don't see enough stress put on these which appear to have as much, if not a greater effect on outcomes. Especially considering that while the vaccine has its place, none of these shots appear to be the end all, be all for any of us.

I know looking back to when I had COVID, the doctors just said, 'stay home and see how it goes' which is beyond horrible management of this virus' effects. I'm sure professional athletes are receiving top-end care and immediate spectrums of meds to diminish symptoms and lower the timeframe replication can occur.

Treatments for infection are important, but they are the last line of defense (especially when factoring in community impact/spread). Also, an incredibly costly one at that. Everyone who uses the 'big pharma is getting rich off vaccines' BS is somehow ignoring the windfall billing of other medical treatments, including monoclonal antibodies.

In over-simplistic battlefield analogies, frequent testing and smart mitigation measures are attempts at not getting shot at all, the vaccine is a bulletproof vest, greatly blunting the impact of damage, and anti-virals as battlefield surgery. Battlefield surgery has greatly improved outcomes of soldiers, but no where near not getting shot or having to go into surgery in the first place.

Also, I don't want to get super wonky on the data (or would be happy to share via PM), but the current treatment regimens aren't taboo, they just aren't statistically pulling their weight at the moment. It's not a conspiracy, it's just there are lower hanging fruit that are MUCH more effective in entire societies. It's a part of the puzzle, but not the key.

Order of desirable outcomes:
1) Don't get COVID, don't spread COVID to others
2) Get COVID, have minimal effects and minimize spread to others
...
998) Shesterkin rips his groin when learning Drury gives Georgiev an 8-year extension
999) Get COVID, spread it others, b/c what can we do

 

[rangersfansince08]

Reading the Devils boards they've turned on Hughes so quickly.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Reading the Devils boards they've turned on Hughes so quickly.

They have 2 wins in their last 14 games and have won a single game since Hughes returned.

They should be turning on everyone.

 

[frozenrubber]

Reading the Devils boards they've turned on Hughes so quickly.

When I see Jack Hughes get abused like Paul Kariya, how did Patrick Kane survive at the same weight/size all these years?

 

[rangersfansince08]

They have 2 wins in their last 14 games and have won a single game since Hughes returned.

They should be turning on everyone.

Remember when Ty Smith was the next big thing? He's trash according to them (they are right).

 

[rangersfansince08]

When I see Jack Hughes get abused like Paul Kariya, how did Patrick Kane survive at the same weight/size all these years?

Same way Panarin does? Kane is apaprently 5'10" and 177 lbs while Panarin is 5'11" and even smaller at 170 lbs. More "wirey" strength and more elusive? Maybe playing W helps?

 

[Leonardo87]

Zegras > Hughes

 

[Cmox]

Reading the Devils boards they've turned on Hughes so quickly.

He has put on some weight, quickly learn an ability to be aware of his surroundings and develop his shiftiness otherwise the kid is going to be injuries and a “ what could’ve been” story.

 

[rangersfansince08]

Zegras > Hughes

Zegras > Kakko so lets not go there. Zegras though does make the Hughes excuses look silly. He is elevating his winger talent and isn't a big guy either.

 

[cheech70]

Or perhaps people have developed a natural immunity which also appears to be exponentially better than the vaccine, but somehow, is inexplicably never factored into the discussions.

9 months currently with Covid 19 antibodies

 

[Leonardo87]

Zegras > Kakko so lets not go there. Zegras though does make the Hughes excuses look silly. He is elevating his winger talent and isn't a big guy either.

When the Devil fans get into a heated debate about Hughes vs Kakko, just mention Zegras or even Seider and they will be quiet very fast. lol.

I am not concerned with Kakko, I had him pegged
To be a two way 50 point 2nd line forward. Am totally cool with that. Can still surpass that, and we just have to be patient. Look at Troy Terry for Anaheim. He was starting to look very good last season getting close to a .50 PPG, but he was on a very bad Ducks team with a historically bad PP. we have to patient with the kids, Chytil as well.

Some players take between 23-25 yo to break out and go on to have excellent careers. Not everyone is going to come right off the bat.

 

[rangersfansince08]

When the Devil fans get into a heated debate about Hughes vs Kakko, just mention Zegras or even Seider and they will be quiet very fast. lol.

I am not concerned with Kakko, I had him pegged
To be a two way 50 point 2nd line forward. Am totally cool with that. Can still surpass that, and we just have to be patient. Look at Troy Terry for Anaheim. He was starting to look very good last season getting close to a .50 PPG, but he was on a very bad Ducks team with a historically bad PP. we have to patient with the kids, Chytil as well.

Some players take between 23-25 yo to break out and go on to have excellent careers. Not everyone is going to come right off the bat.

Hoping for something closer to 70 pts. He has it in him imo. PF types take longer true.

 

[KOVALEV022473]

Or maybe the fact is there is no such thing as 'natural immunity'. 'Natural immunity' meant you contracted COVID, and if you were unvaccinated, you had a very measurable and provable worse statistical outcome in severity, hospitalization rate, and death.

If you are to contract COVID, the best outcome is where you suffer the least adverse medical affect, and that group just happens to be vaccinated. The added bonus is people who have had COVID and are fully vaccinated, show the highest levels of antibodies.

Very much hoping the many players that got the J&J vaccine (since it had the 'easiest' vaccination schedule) are taking this break in the schedule to get much stronger protection via booster/mRNA vaccines.

I had it in February of 2020 and have antibodies and not yet caught it again. My original symptoms were that of a mild Flu, so I really don’t know what you’re talking about.

 

[Inferno]

I had it in February of 2020 and have antibodies and not yet caught it again. My original symptoms were that of a mild Flu, so I really don’t know what you’re talking about.

And if it's true for you it must be true for everyone else.

 

[KOVALEV022473]

9 months currently with Covid 19 antibodies

There’s no such thing as natural immunity though. (Sarcasm)

 

[KOVALEV022473]

And if it's true for you it must be true for everyone else.

I’m not sure the implication of this statement/question, but I never said that. I just said that all of the BS masking measures, vaccines and lock downs haven’t done shit to slow the spread. The NFL , by definition, is “Fully Vaccinated” still contracting and theoretically spreading coronavirus.

 

[Raspewtin]

The Hasidic and Amish communities have the lowest rates if new infection but you don't read about that because natural immunity from previous infection doesn't sell re-up vaccines in a nationally mandatory Healthcare system.

Que the Big Pharma deniers.

Yeah well Hasidim have dramatically higher death rates than national average using this exact logic that "they kept together cause they all had antibodies now" so try again.

 

[Inferno]

I’m not sure the implication of this statement/question, but I never said that. I just said that all of the BS masking measures, vaccines and lock downs haven’t done shit to slow the spread. The NFL , by definition, is “Fully Vaccinated” still contracting and theoretically spreading coronavirus.

Because when people don't get vaccinated...then viruses can still spread and mutate.

A huge portion of the world is anti vax or simply unable to vax if they want to.

They don't get the shot. They get the virus.

It mutates and screws everyone. With that said I'm done here. This has nothing to do with the NHL or hockey.

 

[KOVALEV022473]

Because when people don't get vaccinated...then viruses can still spread and mutate.

A huge portion of the world is anti vax or simply unable to vax if they want to.

They don't get the shot. They get the virus.

It mutates and screws everyone. With that said I'm done here. This has nothing to do with the NHL or hockey.

Again, this is happening with those of whom are vaccinated.

 

[Rangerfans]

Zegras > Hughes

Zegras > Kakko

We can’t go there.

 

[Leonardo87]

Zegras > Kakko

We can’t go there.

If you are a Rangers fan it’s hard not to root for Zegras and hope he succeeds. Local NY kid, parents and family have Rangers season tickets, grew up idolizing some of the Ex-Rangers players like Gaborik and Nash.

Just as long as he is not producing against the Rangers , it’s all good. Lol.

 

[cheech70]

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[Ruggs225]

Well if alot of the players are testing positive now than it should be smoother sailing later as they are vaxed and have the good natural immunity.

So better to get it out of the way now.

 

[egelband]

Same way Panarin does? Kane is apaprently 5'10" and 177 lbs while Panarin is 5'11" and even smaller at 170 lbs. More "wirey" strength and more elusive? Maybe playing W helps?

Yeah. I find Panarin to be one of the tougher guys on the team. He’s a junkyard dog.