Around the NHL: Part XXXIV

[Machinehead]

I think both sides react harshly to each other. This time it was the Pro-Tony side that started complaining about us mismanaging him, the night of the Gordie Howe hat trick it was the Anti-Tony side who started complaining saying we shouldn’t even be posting anything he does like he’s Voldemort or something. Any honest person will say he’s a good player but a divisive character. Many people love him because of his politics, many people hate him because of his politics. I’m not saying that’s why our organization moved on from him, but that is certainly why folks on social media despise him. They don’t despise him because he’s a dick, there are TONS of dicks in professional sports who have done far worse than Tony. They hate him because he’s a dick & they hate his political views.

I think it should be pretty easy to just post highlights and talk about on ice play without getting into arguments about this. If me (one of the most ardent Tony fans) can do it, anyone should be able to.

But we're not talking about posting highlights.

We're talking about the same few people (not you) using him as an excuse to post political hot takes where political hot takes are supposed to be unwelcome.

 

[Machinehead]

Just post your politics on Twitter, that's what I do!

 

[bigdog16]

I just don't give a f***.

If people want to talk about him in this thread, they have the right to. It's frustrating that it always becomes a political discussion. Nobody challenged it until it became a political discussion.

And I'm sorry but that's not "both sides!!!" It's the same 3-4 ADA fanboys that bring up politics.

Is it not the root of why he is not a Ranger anymore? IMO the Rangers quit too early on him. Find a way to get him to figure it out, lock down his twitter, get him a therapist, do something more. We literally bought out a top 5 offensive dman in the league for ultimately punching Georgiev, who is nothing more than a pimple on the ass of this team. Bad asset management. People want to cry iTs NoT aBoUt PoLiTiCs, but newsflash, thats exactly what it was about. I do agree that TDA should have kept his mouth shut.

 

[Machinehead]

Is it not the root of why he is not a Ranger anymore? IMO the Rangers quit too early on him. Find a way to get him to figure it out, lock down his twitter, get him a therapist, do something more. We literally bought out a top 5 offensive dman in the league for ultimately punching Georgiev, who is nothing more than a pimple on the ass of this team. Bad asset management. People want to cry iTs NoT aBoUt PoLiTiCs, but newsflash, thats exactly what it was about. I do agree that TDA should have kept his mouth shut.

It's not.

Period. Done. End of discussion.

You can think that if you want but every source close to the team says you're incorrect.

 

[Tob]

But that's not politics, that's behavior.

He could have done the same thing with hookers and cocaine.

Patrik Laine did it with Fortnite.

I don't see anybody posting "you guys just hate Fortnite!!!!" on the Jets board.

That's the disagreement then. He doesn't get into as much trouble to receive warnings over the years if he's yelling at people about Fortnite. Obviously JD and Gorts can't control what Tony chooses to yell at people about but they were so insistent that he stop largely because it's unpopular politics on twitter. People being upset at JD/Gorts is mostly about the way they pulled the plug on him with that waiving instead of being calm and collected and try and move a 60 point PP specialist on the down low. It's also not their fault that Miller bullying and puck stealing libel started but they really could have avoided that.

 

[bigdog16]

It's not.

Period. Done. End of discussion.

You can think that if you want but every source close to the team says you're incorrect.

Lol okay. And OJ never did it

 

[Machinehead]

Lol okay. And OJ never did it

That's the disagreement then. He doesn't get into as much trouble to receive warnings over the years if he's yelling at people about Fortnite. Obviously JD and Gorts can't control what Tony chooses to yell at people about but they were so insistent that he stop largely because it's unpopular politics on twitter. People being upset at JD/Gorts is mostly about the way they pulled the plug on him with that waiving instead of being calm and collected and try and move a 60 point PP specialist on the down low. It's also not their fault that Miller bullying and puck stealing libel started but they really could have avoided that.

Out of what, 750ish NHL players you think there's only one who's right of center and vocal about it?

https://twitter.com/seth_jones3/likes

 

[Tob]

Out of what, 750ish NHL players you think there's only one who's right of center and vocal about it?

https://twitter.com/seth_jones3/likes

im not saying his politics got him cancelled. I'm saying the very fact that people know who the vocal trump supporters are and can link their twitter likes off the top of their head and the fact they attract negative attention that a billion dollar business doesn't want is the reason why posters are saying he was a victim of anti-trump rhetoric and cancelling (plus a healthy dose of his own childish behavior).

 

[Machinehead]

im not saying his politics got him cancelled. I'm saying the very fact that people know who the vocal trump supporters are and can link their twitter likes off the top of their head and the fact they attract negative attention that a billion dollar business doesn't want is the reason why posters are saying he was a victim of anti-trump rhetoric and cancelling (plus a healthy dose of his own childish behavior).

So that's why Jones just got one of the most lucrative contracts in the league? Because he's a business risk?

Logan Couture just got a $64m extension, and he's another one who very vocally agrees with DeAngelo.

It's only DeAngelo that this has ever happened to.

 

[Tob]

Gonna reward myself with an eclaire for being so strong and brave engaging in more DeAngelo arguments.

 

[bigdog16]

Out of what, 750ish NHL players you think there's only one who's right of center and vocal about it?

https://twitter.com/seth_jones3/likes

Its a pointless argument that neither of us will win because you dont agree with what Im saying and I dont agree with what you are saying. Which is fine by me. I think we can agree that it is silly TDA is not a Ranger anymore.

 

[Machinehead]

Its a pointless argument that neither of us will win because you dont agree with what Im saying and I dont agree with what you are saying. Which is fine by me. I think we can agree that it is silly TDA is not a Ranger anymore.

Ok but it's not that we disagree. I'm right and you're wrong. I want to clarify that.

 

[JCProdigy]

Excerpt from Gorton post firing on ADA:

Gorton referred to DeAngelo as “passionate about how he thinks the world should work”. He said the Rangers understood that, but that he would have to speak to DeAngelo when he would cross the line and ask him if he thought it was worth it to go back-and-forth with the fans.
“We are in the entertainment business and people are paying for tickets here.”
Gorton said that he told teams that called about DeAngelo that he’s a good guy.

I really think it didn't sit well with them that he challenged a fan and then that gets big outlet media attention. Like Machinehead intimated. It's not the topic so much as that he challenged the fan over it that mattered. It's that he let it escalate towards that.

Of course that's also ignoring some of the other issues that came along with ADA that helped bring things to a head.

I mean damn people. Do you think JD and Gorton are some ultra liberals??? I know for a fact that Dolan is friends with Trump and donated money to his campaigns.

 

[Kravtsov420]

Always hated the way Gabby’s time here ended. Was a really electric player when he was healthy.

One of my favorite moments from the nightmare shirt season in 2013 and probably the only time the Nash/Gaborik combo worked out.

I haven’t seen puck posession and passing like that in years. I’m sad now.

 

[JohnC]

Out of what, 750ish NHL players you think there's only one who's right of center and vocal about it?

https://twitter.com/seth_jones3/likes

Tbh OJ’s teammates probably thought he was a POS too

 

[RangerBoy]

 

[Machinehead]

Damn, massive trade!

 

[Tob]

So that's why Jones just got one of the most lucrative contracts in the league? Because he's a business risk?

Logan Couture just got a $64m extension, and he's another one who very vocally agrees with DeAngelo.

It's only DeAngelo that this has ever happened to.

It's only bad publicity and bad for business if you're arguing with people on twitter and being warned about it. Those other players weren't being idiots about their political views and weren't being warned repeatedly. As long as you keep your mouth shut like Jones, you can like whatever you want. No one is saying JD and Gorts had no appetite for Trump supporters. Bottom line is the anti-Trump social media environment, the same one that led to people making up lies about stealing pucks and being a racist bully put him in danger in the first place. He obviously dove head in but let's not pretend being as pro-trump as he was on social media wasn't a pitfall compared to if he was anti-trump on social media.

 

[Machinehead]

It's only bad publicity and bad for business if you're arguing with people on twitter and being warned about it. Those other players weren't being idiots about their political views and weren't being warned repeatedly. As long as you keep your mouth shut like Jones, you can like whatever you want. No one is saying JD and Gorts had no appetite for Trump supporters. Bottom line is the anti-Trump social media environment, the same one that led to people making up lies about stealing pucks and being a racist bully put him in danger in the first place. He obviously dove head in but let's not pretend being as pro-trump as he was on social media wasn't a pitfall compared to if he was anti-trump on social media.

Panarin is outspoken...let's say not right wing and somebody tried to f***ing kill him over it.

 

[Tob]

Panarin is outspoken...let's say not right wing and somebody tried to f***ing kill him over it.

apples and oranges. literally don't know what this has to do with the DeAngelo situation. this arguing will never get anywhere. everyone removes whichever context suits their needs me included.

 

[Kravtsov420]

Can we discuss hockey again ? Good and great for TDA but I wanna get back to shitting on our team as it is currently constructed, thanks

 

[Machinehead]

apples and oranges. literally don't know what this has to do with the DeAngelo situation. this arguing will never get anywhere. everyone removes whichever context suits their needs me included.

But again, I'm right.

Every shred of evidence says his dismissal wasn't politically motivated.

So yes, we can "agree to disagree" if that's what you prefer to call it.

 

[Tob]

But again, I'm right.

Every shred of evidence says his dismissal wasn't politically motivated.

So yes, we can "agree to disagree" if that's what you prefer to call it.

politically induced.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Anyone who likes a player because they agree with their political beliefs is just as bad as anyone who dislikes a player because of their political beliefs.

 

[romba]

Is it not the root of why he is not a Ranger anymore? IMO the Rangers quit too early on him. Find a way to get him to figure it out, lock down his twitter, get him a therapist, do something more. We literally bought out a top 5 offensive dman in the league for ultimately punching Georgiev, who is nothing more than a pimple on the ass of this team. Bad asset management. People want to cry iTs NoT aBoUt PoLiTiCs, but newsflash, thats exactly what it was about. I do agree that TDA should have kept his mouth shut.

The guy threatened to fight fans, politics doesn’t matter, abrasiveness does. Fox is apparently conservative but doesn’t have any issues with the team. If some liberal spewing player on Twitter was having the same issues off the ice that TDA had it would have been the same result.

you think TDA would have allowed the team to control his Twitter? Or make him see a therapist when he views everyone around him as the problem? Eventually they felt it was causing a fracture in the locker room. They should have cut bait sooner and gotten something for him, that’s the criticism here, but they felt his value was higher than the offers they supposedly got the offseason prior.