Around The NHL Part XXVII

[Shesterkybomb]

I get Vancouver has a solid prospect pool but me personally I'd have to think long and hard about taking Hughes and Pettersson over our Fox and Lafreniere. You add in Kakko, Kravstsov, Robertson, Miller, Chytil...etc etc I dunno...maybe I need to study up on Vancouver's prospect pool because I'd be hard pressed to find anyone who has a better prospect pool than ours.

Imo Petterson is the 3rd best young forward in the league, and Hughes is top 5 young dman. We cant say that about Fox and Lafrienierre until they prove that. Vancouver doesn't get near as much press as Toronto's players but id take Petterson over Matthews or Marner.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Here's my beef with the Isles...their very existence is to troll the Rangers and Rangers fans. Truthfully, I don't even hate the organization or any of their current players, I hate the fan base. Sure, some individual fans are fine and I'm friends with some. But in general that fan base is awfully cocky. They love talking about their dynasty which ended nearly FOUR decades ago. They also love harping on "once since '40." Do I wish the Rangers had won a few more cups? Sure. But, honestly who cares about what happened in the 40s-60s when the Canadians would win every year because they got all the best French Canadian players?! It's a tired and lazy chirp and you shouldn't root for a team based on their championship history or lack thereof.
As far as this current Isles team...their good. Very Good. Very well coached for sure. But, thus far they've had good matchups for them...until now. Tampa is a great team that is on a mission. Can the Isles beat them? Sure. But Tampa is better.
Oh and "Stat Boy"... Don't you think Isles fans would be saying the same thing about the Rangers if the roles were reversed?

Apparently we are in the top 3 of annoying fan bases so there's that.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Here's my beef with the Isles...their very existence is to troll the Rangers and Rangers fans. Truthfully, I don't even hate the organization or any of their current players, I hate the fan base. Sure, some individual fans are fine and I'm friends with some. But in general that fan base is awfully cocky. They love talking about their dynasty which ended nearly FOUR decades ago. They also love harping on "once since '40." Do I wish the Rangers had won a few more cups? Sure. But, honestly who cares about what happened in the 40s-60s when the Canadians would win every year because they got all the best French Canadian players?! It's a tired and lazy chirp and you shouldn't root for a team based on their championship history or lack thereof.
As far as this current Isles team...their good. Very Good. Very well coached for sure. But, thus far they've had good matchups for them...until now. Tampa is a great team that is on a mission. Can the Isles beat them? Sure. But Tampa is better.
Oh and "Stat Boy"... Don't you think Isles fans would be saying the same thing about the Rangers if the roles were reversed?

Dude like 99% of your posts here are claiming that the Isles are cup contenders or a sure shot to win.

You're obsessed with them. Let their fans troll and be morons, it's been a long, long time since they've accomplished anything and this is likely going to be their best opportunity to have anything to cheer/be cocky about.

Once Tampa does what Tampa is going to do, we won't hear from them for a while.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Imo Petterson is the 3rd best young forward in the league, and Hughes is top 5 young dman. We cant say that about Fox and Lafrienierre until they prove that. Vancouver doesn't get near as much press as Toronto's players but id take Petterson over Matthews or Marner.

Name 5 young D who are better.

Because for all the flash and sizzle, Makar certainly is not better right now.

The ones who I'd put on that list are Dahlin, Heiskanen and Hughes, and you could make a case for Fox over Hughes.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Imo Petterson is the 3rd best young forward in the league, and Hughes is top 5 young dman. We cant say that about Fox and Lafrienierre until they prove that. Vancouver doesn't get near as much press as Toronto's players but id take Petterson over Matthews or Marner.

i'd take him over Marner but not Matthews.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Name 5 young D who are better.

Because for all the flash and sizzle, Makar certainly is not better right now.

The ones who I'd put on that list are Dahlin, Heiskanen and Hughes, and you could make a case for Fox over Hughes.

What? Makar is the elite of the elite. Its Hughes who is overhyped, and Fox can be argued over him. Fox has no arguments over Makar.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

i'd take him over Marner but not Matthews.

I'd take him over Matthews as well.

He's smarter and has a more well rounded game. Matthews is an elite goal scorer which is obviously great, but he kind of needs players to get him the puck in order to be successful (Toronto has loads of them.)

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I will say again now especially that we have lafreniere...

If you put 22 23 24 25 year old Fil Chytil between Panarin and Kakko or Lafreniere Kakko or Kreider he’s going to put up points and be a horse in the middle. I really have zero doubt about it. Even if his playmaking doesn’t come completely thats going to for sure come from his left wingers

So... Another Ryan Strome?

 

[NYR Viper]

Name 5 young D who are better.

Because for all the flash and sizzle, Makar certainly is not better right now.

The ones who I'd put on that list are Dahlin, Heiskanen and Hughes, and you could make a case for Fox over Hughes.

What's young?

Miro Heiskenen
Rasmus Dahlin
Zach Werenski
Charlie McAvoy
Thomas Chabot
Quinn Hughes
Cale Makar
Ivan Provorov

Fox had an outstanding first year, but he needs to follow that up with another one

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

What? Makar is the elite of the elite. Its Hughes who is overhyped, and Fox can be argued over him. Fox has no arguments over Makar.

Hughes is a great player. Beast offensively and really underrated defensively. He's the best PP player of the 3 of them by a long shot and his 5v5 production is still very good.

Makar is electric with the puck on his stick but very much a work in progress with out it. He makes the highlight reels but the other 2 are much more efficient and just all around better at this point.

The Gap between Makar and Fox defensively is MUCH better than the gap between the two of them offensively.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

What's young?

Miro Heiskenen
Rasmus Dahlin
Zach Werenski
Charlie McAvoy
Thomas Chabot
Quinn Hughes
Cale Makar
Ivan Provorov

Fox had an outstanding first year, but he needs to follow that up with another one

Yes
Yes
I'd say no, but debatable. Having Jones helps.
No, Hes a moron.
No
I'd probably say yes, but debatable
No
No.

Can't we use the same argument against Hughes, Makar and Chabot (who has had 1 big offensive season) to a lesser extent?

 

[Raspewtin]

What? Makar is the elite of the elite. Its Hughes who is overhyped, and Fox can be argued over him. Fox has no arguments over Makar.

Makar is ultra sheltered defensively and still not good at it. He's world class offensively but pretty much not good defensively.

Hughes and Fox both curb stomped him across the board in defensive metrics.

What's young?

Miro Heiskenen
Rasmus Dahlin
Zach Werenski
Charlie McAvoy
Thomas Chabot
Quinn Hughes
Cale Makar
Ivan Provorov

Fox had an outstanding first year, but he needs to follow that up with another one

So do Makar and Hughes by your own logic.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Makar is ultra sheltered defensively and still not good at it. He's world class offensively but pretty much not good defensively.

Hughes and Fox both curb stomped him across the board in defensive metrics.


So do Makar and Hughes by your own logic.

I also don't think people realize how good Adam Fox was this year, especially from December onwards.

I love Heiskanen's overall package, Hughes' PP and transition mastery and Dahlin's been really good in a shit situation and he'll end up running train on the league soon enough.

If anyone wants to tell me that those guys are better than Fox, I won't argue. Any of the other guys listed? Nah bro. Fox outperformed Provorov big time this year and did so while being paired with another rookie.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

So... Another Ryan Strome?

The only thing Strome has going for him is his playmaking ability

 

[Shesterkybomb]

i'd take him over Marner but not Matthews.

I definitely would after watching both play all year. Matthews has a bit of Kreider in him where he just fades into the back from time to time, Petterson is front and center all the time.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

The only thing Strome has going for him is his ability to accumulate assists playing with Artemi Panarin

fixed

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

I definitely would after watching both play all year. Matthews has a bit of Kreider in him where he just fades into the back from time to time, Petterson is front and center all the time.

Production seems to matter very little on HFboards. Its all about how flashy a player looks. EP > Matthews, Barzal > Zibanejad. Smh...

 

[Raspewtin]

Production seems to matter very little on HFboards. Its all about how flashy a player looks. EP > Matthews, Barzal > Zibanejad. Smh...

lol that Barzal vs Zib poll is just awful

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

lol that Barzal vs Zib poll is just awful

Lol no one would have dared to make such a poll back in March.

 

[Raspewtin]

Lol no one would have dared to make such a poll back in March.

Oh but they did

Connor vs Zibanejad vs Barzal

The results speak for themselves.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Oh but they did

Connor vs Zibanejad vs Barzal

The results speak for themselves.

Even more damning tbh. HFboards has is them most reactionary place. But its not even like Barzal is lighting up the playoffs. Like i can understand why people are now going bonkers over Brayden Point. But Barzal isn't really doing anything special.

My take is that many NHL fans are now seeing Barzal play for the first time because nobody watches the Islanders outside of New York, so they were taken by surprise with his amazing skating and puck control.

 

[bobbop]

What? Makar is the elite of the elite. Its Hughes who is overhyped, and Fox can be argued over him. Fox has no arguments over Makar.

Makar is the elite of the elite at one end of the ice. Total game, I rank him behind Fox and Hughes.

 

[Irishguy42]

Poop

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Production seems to matter very little on HFboards. Its all about how flashy a player looks. EP > Matthews, Barzal > Zibanejad. Smh...

Put Marner one Pettersons wing and Taveres and Marner on with him for the PP and see what happens. JT Miller looks like Iginla playing with him.

 

[Maximus]

Makar is the elite of the elite at one end of the ice. Total game, I rank him behind Fox and Hughes.

Going to differ with ya Bob. I'd go Makar, Fox and than Hughes. Makar has already shown signs of how special he is and I'd not be surprised if his game elevates to the point where he's doing what Erik Karlsson used too do for the next decade.

Fox almost assuredly will be the best overall dman of the three and Hughes who is uber talented no doubt, I question whether he's going to stay healthy as he's not much bigger than his brother as he needs to add some muscle and put on some weight.