Around the NHL (Part XVIII) - Tankiest tank to have ever tanked

[RayP]

I like Leddy, but man that is a nice paycheck he'll be earning during that contract. I'm going to assume his defense is about the same since he left the Hawks.... and he's on pace for 30 something points give or take. Is he really worth 5+?

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

The B's gotta be pissed

Krug's agent will be using this as comparable ,, Honestly Krug is better then Leddy so I wouldn't be shocked if his agent asked for 6M

Not to mention Krug/Smith had to settle for 1 year deals this past offseason because of B's cap troubles so Krug wont be so generous this time

 

[Darth Milbury]

I like Leddy, but man that is a nice paycheck he'll be earning during that contract. I'm going to assume his defense is about the same since he left the Hawks.... and he's on pace for 30 something points give or take. Is he really worth 5+?

He has vastly improved his defensive play - although he still is lacking in terms of the physical game.


I still think the acquisition of Leddy would have been an absolute disaster if they had not also acquired Boychuk at the same time.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

Krug is a better PP weapon, but Leddy is a much better all around defender.

Leddy was so far beyond Keith at the same age defensively that it made me want to keep him. Leddy improving is hardly a surprise. He's simply put not a finished product.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

he won't be paired with a pylon and gets top 4 minutes every night...he will be just fine...

That Pylon was key part of Hawks 2013 cup run and outplayed Nick in playoffs both years they were together

Krug is a better PP weapon, but Leddy is a much better all around defender.

Leddy was so far beyond Keith at the same age defensively that it made me want to keep him. Leddy improving is hardly a surprise. He's simply put not a finished product.

Krug is better defender and has proven capable of playing playoff hockey

Of course Leddy is better at this age ,, Keith didn't get golden ticket pass to NHL after 1 year in NCAA like Nick

Darth, I respect you a great deal, but that was the same logic being thrown out last year about Bollig being 33.33% of last years fourth line on our forum.

He wasn't. Oduya wasn't/isn't. Pokka needs to become something good at the minimum. Leddy is and was a special talent. I still think that he's got top pairing Brian Campbell upside.

I hated Oduya's guts when he got here but he was very much a good defender in 2013 and 2014

To say Hammer gets all credit is just as bad as people who say Brian Campbell didn't do anything good with Hawks

And Leddy is not a special talent ,, A special talent wouldn't have faltered when team needed him to step up like Leddy did last playoff

 

[AmericanDream]

That Pylon was key part of Hawks 2013 cup run and outplayed Nick in playoffs both years they were together

oh dear lord...no he was not...and again a 22 year old compared to a 43 year old come playoff time is not the be all end all when evaluating a player. Leddy hasn't even touched his ceiling, Rozi is 3 feet in the grave already...big difference..

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

So your argument American is Oduya and Rozy had nothing to do with our 2013 success?

I know you hate Rozy now but its laughable how much your hate is blinding you

Rozy stepped up bigtime as Leddy faltered in 2013 playoffs

 

[hockeydoug]

I'm not sure where you saw Claude put any more trust in Krug than Q did in Leddy. I loved when Krug lobbed a pass into Shaw in the middle of his own blueline, can't imagine what would have happened that series without it.

I'm happy for Leddy. He's a heck of a skater, even if he tops out well below his ceiling, his ability to stay healthy offsets most of any overpayment. I think it's a pretty good bet for Garth, but this is the same guy that gambled on Vanek and lost big time too.

 

[x Tame Impala]

I think it' was very unlikely Leddy ever became more than a #5/6 dman on the Hawks. I don't think he would've been given the ice time or opportunities to get some confidence.

Oduya's play is disappointing. Aside from the few who can't admit it, I think most of us were expecting Oduya to be much better than he has been.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

A guy belonging at this level at Leddy's age unlike Keith isn't a reason to knock him. It's reason to praise him.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Krug was a rookie in 2012-13 and outplayed Leddy

The fact he contributed as much as he did was impressive for B's run. Last year Krug played well in playoffs and Leddy was disaster

To date ,, Krug has shown far more ability then Leddy when it matters most

 

[No Fun Shogun]

Even still, we got a very promising prospect in return for a guy that we didn't realistically have a chance at resigning due to cap constraints. Maybe we should've held on to him for this year and accepted the fact that we would've lost him for nothing, or maybe we should've traded him when the right offer came along when it did.

Hawks management chose the latter. You can certainly disagree with that tactic, but let's not act like folks wouldn't have been screaming this offseason how we let a guy walk for nothing when we knew his time with us was almost up.

It's easy to be an armchair GM and to have perfect 20/20 knowledge about the past and claims about the future that no one will care about a month from now.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

Except Leddy would still be a RFA and we would have gotten something for him - probably more.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

And it's easy to claim these things with 20/20 vision about the past but I have said them already as they were happening.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

I am fine with Pokka and Hawks trading Leddy

After another abysmal playoff the Hawks couldn't waste another year hoping Leddy improves. We shall see if he finally shows something this year with Isles in playoffs

Another poor playoff and he will do nothing but prove us all right. Hell look at how bad Brouwer has been for Caps in playoffs with top 6 time

Regular Season success is meaningless if players prove time and again they cant play in playoffs

 

[No Fun Shogun]

Eh, that's the realm of hypothetical that we'll never know, though. Maybe, maybe not. Maybe Pokka will bust, maybe the picks or players that we would've gotten later down the road would've busted. we can't possibly know if we would've gotten something better now versus a few months ago versus him being on a potential bridge deal.

 

[Taze em]

I like Leddy but wouldnt feel comfortable giving him that contract at this point.

 

[AmericanDream]

So your argument American is Oduya and Rozy had nothing to do with our 2013 success?

I know you hate Rozy now but its laughable how much your hate is blinding you

Rozy stepped up bigtime as Leddy faltered in 2013 playoffs

I am not arguing that they didn't help us in 2013, where did I say that?

I said Rozi wasn't "far" better than Leddy, which he wasn't...and again you are comparing proven vets to a 21-22 year old still learning the game???...I am not basing that on why or why we don't keep Leddy...his skillset and future is why you keep him and not because of how he looked in the playoffs as a 21-22 year old..

how did Rozi and Oduya look in the 2014 playoffs??? the writing was on the wall that they were trajecting downward while Leddy is only going to improve..

ths isn't 2013 anymore, I am worried about right now, and Leddy is miles ahead of Rozi and almost as much as Oduya currently...and that would make this team better overall right now which is what I care about not 2 years ago...

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Leddy still looked worse then Rozy this past playoff

Infact his failure to step up when team needed him with Rozy showing age was a big reason he is gone. Leddy failed when Hawks needed him most

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

As I said this Leddy stuff reminds me of Brouwer fans complaining about him being traded after fact

Alot of "Hawks sure miss that" when Brouwer would score or make big hit especially while Bickell was playing badly in 2012

Of course reality is that Troy Brouwer is worthless when it matters most

In 21 playoff games since his trade to Washingotn and getting top 6 role/PP time

3 goals + 3 assists and a -2

21 games he has 6 pts in playoffs since trade

I have never missed Troy and I will not miss Leddy at 5.5M for next 7 years

 

[AmericanDream]

Leddy is a consistent 30 plus point scorer, likely hitting 40 this year if he keeps his pace up....and oh yeah, 23 years old..what the heck kind of money did you think this kid was going to get??

Oduya has only hit 20 points twice in his career and is making almost $3.5 mil....are you really surprised that Leddy got that?? It will be a bargain contract in the long term..

 

[x Tame Impala]

That contract does seem pretty hefty, at least the term. Leddy was a pending RFA that is still pretty unproven. 7 years is a pretty big commitment. I don't think he's incapable of living up to that contract, just that he hasn't proven it yet. It'd be like signing Saad to an 8 year, $7M AAV deal. Sure, he could (and most likely) will be worth it eventually but why commit to that when you don't have to?

 

[AmericanDream]

That contract does seem pretty hefty, at least the term. Leddy was a pending RFA that is still pretty unproven. 7 years is a pretty big commitment. I don't think he's incapable of living up to that contract, just that he hasn't proven it yet. It'd be like signing Saad to an 8 year, $7M AAV deal. Sure, he could (and most likely) will be worth it eventually but why commit to that when you don't have to?

in a sense I can understand this, but what more does he have to prove?

he was won a cup, and has been in the league for 4 years now hitting over 30 points every single full season (expecting that for this year as well)...I think he has proven enough to get that contract but I do agree living up to it becomes the hARD Part as many guys collapse to the pressure of signing these deals..

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Leddy is a consistent 30 plus point scorer, likely hitting 40 this year if he keeps his pace up....and oh yeah, 23 years old..what the heck kind of money did you think this kid was going to get??

Oduya has only hit 20 points twice in his career and is making almost $3.5 mil....are you really surprised that Leddy got that?? It will be a bargain contract in the long term..

Oduya is better defender thus why he had 3.35M cap hit

Are you saying since Leddy is making 5.5M he is > Hjalmarsson and almost as good as Seabrook?

 

[Hawkaholic]

you have been so obnoxiously blind to Oduya, I am not going to argue again over it...he was a top 4 because Q is an idiot and would never put Leddy in that role...and again, he had HAMMER to bail him out every game...simple as that....Oduya is terrible and has been for sometime...the defense of this guy is downright hilarious at his price tag...5 freaking points!

I imagine you are the guy I just had a 20min convo with on twitter.

Hammer is great, but he is not good enough to carry an entire pairing all year long against the best every night in the NHL. Very few, if any Dman can do that.

They work well together, chemistry is HUGE, whether you agree or not. Oduya had a great 2 years, 2013 and 2013-14, and if not for his injury that hampered him throughout the entire summer, I think he would have been pretty good again.

Fact is, we could get a better haul for our 5th Dman than our 4th Dman and our 4th Dman was more important to the team success.

IMO, Leddy wouldn't be able to handle the best in the West every night, as he could barely handle the sheltered mins he got.