I haven't listened to Green Day for years, but they've been around since the late-80s and definitely didn't rip off anyone's style. They obviously were influenced by bands like The Clash and the other Brit-punk bands, as well as people like Ian MacKaye and his label, but they always had their own sound. They were probably the preeminent pop punk band that led to that scene blowing up in the 90s and 00s, with Dookie being the seminal moment. The little I've heard from them recently isn't my thing, but those guys used to be amazing back in the day.
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Hard pass on country stars doing themes for the NHL.
Yeah if course, but then he don’t know it firsthand. Should have phrased it ‘I’ve been told’ ...
We all know the Islanders organization hates the kid and loves to humiliate him in public.
Edge
Kris King's Ghost
Not sure I understand the attraction with Ho-Sang.
Even if one ignores everything else but the results, he’s been a consistent underachiever at multiple levels for the better part of 5 or 6 years at this point.
Even if one ignores everything else but the results, he’s been a consistent underachiever at multiple levels for the better part of 5 or 6 years at this point.
Ghost of jas
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And Hank Williams>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hank Williams, Jr. or Carrie Underwood or Green Day
Brooklyn Rangers Fan
Change is good.
Edge
Kris King's Ghost
That’s the worst kind of dead!
GeorgeKaplan
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eco's bones
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Generally I like your take on them and punk rock has been my thing since the late 70's when it first started breaking out. I've never disliked Green Day and it's obvious where their musical influences come from. They were and are more commercialized though---that's a road that most of the bands that came out of that genre chose not to take and was a badge of pride for a lot of people who were into that kind of music. The real early bands though like the Pistols, Clash, Ramones, Damned weren't part of the independent scene--they were all scooped up by major record companies and then afterwards an independent scene came along of small record labels--the do it yourself stuff that came a little later sometimes even started up by the bands themselves. The Clash took a lot of heat for being signed by Columbia/Epic but that's all that was around at the time--there weren't any independents like Rough Trade. The Clash also signed one of those deals where the naive artist gets screwed royally into perpetuity and meanwhile got contempt from the scene for being 'millionaire rock stars' which wasn't at all the case. That's one of the things about all this righteousness from that fan base that they don't always get it right. That said the Clash are just one band and IMO their first album is their best and though they did write some great songs afterwards it was kind of downhill after that. What it comes down to is whether an individual likes it or not--and people shouldn't get too bent out of shape over shit that doesn't matter.
Ghost of jas
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Well that just underscores his awesomeness...even being dead does not blunt how much better he is than the aforementioned trio.
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Much rather take a flyer on Baertschi than Ho Sang. Too many personality issues in his history to think all of a sudden he would change as a Ranger. Also with the Rangers current personnel we don't really need a player in his style.
he is a former 1st round pick so that means there is unlimited untapped potential cause there was a reason he was picked in the 1st round...unless we picked him then he stinks immediately
Miamipuck
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offdacrossbar
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ho sang is a home run play.
high end talent. hes got all the tools.
if he matures and figures stuff out, hes a classic boom/ bust play. if he booms, hes a top line or certainly top 6 forward.
high end talent. hes got all the tools.
if he matures and figures stuff out, hes a classic boom/ bust play. if he booms, hes a top line or certainly top 6 forward.
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Edge
Kris King's Ghost
My concern with Ho-Sang, and one of the reasons I've always been lukewarm on him, is that what you described has been the hope for a long time at this point.
Once upon a time, in the OHL, he was seen as potential top-5 pick in the NHL draft. Then the result didn't match the talent in his rookie OHL season. Then the results left people wanting during Ho-Sang's draft year.
Then he was a player to keep an eye on in his D+1 season. Then it was a trade from Windsor that was going to allow him to put all the tools together.
That was soon followed up by three years in the AHL with mixed results.
To clarify, it's not to say any of these campaigns were downright awful, but they weren't great either. Frankly, for the amount of chirping he does, and the distraction he has often been at every level at which he's played, you'd at least think he was a kid who had a chip on his shoulder but was also lighting the world on fire. But that simply hasn't happened.
With Ho-Sang, I see a lot of skills, but I do question the application of said tools. In many ways he's what comes to mind when I talk about player who can wow you at a skills competition, but find that those skills aren't always practical, or effective, in real world scenarios.
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You know how Tony D has that calm with the puck and fearlessness to take an extra second to make a play and use skating to make a little extra space that almost everyone else would cough up to pressure in the neutral zone?
Ho-Sang has that in the offensive zone. It's an easy thing to spot (and he's a great passer) and it's something really only All-Star level players have, with rare exceptions. The rest of his game obviously doesn't come close to that standard, but that's why IMO.
Edge
Kris King's Ghost
I can see that, but here's the thing: ADA has done that at an unprecedented rate in the OHL, transitioned from the AHL to NHL, and finds himself at a point where it's a matter of trying to get to the next level.
For ADA, it's about getting all the puzzle pieces out of the box and into the right places. With Ho-Sang, it's more about trying to figure out why the pieces don't add up to what is advertised on the box, or trying to find where some of them disappeared to, all while having him chirp about how he's an amazing puzzle that you should be thankful to have. And that goes back to when he was a teenager.
Obviously we're both using these two particular players as an example, and it's never a flawless process, but I also think it illustrates the difference between types of gambles and their potential returns.
It's very rare that a guy whose underachieved, and still hasn't necessarily shown an aptitude to address what's holding him back, not only puts the pieces together, but also starts to become the sum of his parts.
Some guys work hard, reinvent themselves, and carve out successful careers. Others underachieve, but can still have reasonably productive careers.
I think Ho-Sang would have his work cut out for him to achieve either of those outcomes at this point.
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He’s just one of those guys. Sprong is in the same exact mold. Lots of talent to the eye, plenty missing beneath it all.
It’s like clockwork every year. A dude or two gets waived where people are like “OMG let’s claim him, is be even gonna get to us???” then they clear easily.
Message boards love JAGs
Miamipuck
Al Swearengen
Well the Rangers waived a sure fire first line center, might as well sign one to replace him, no?
Yeah it's the same thing with waiving our own guys. Half the board is convinced that our random dudes are going to get claimed, when every other team has a few random dudes just like ours. What would you say--95% of players that are waived go on to clear? It has to be a crazy high percentage. Like, who have we "lost" on waivers? Stoll? Jooris? Halpern? Maybe the best guy we've lost in the past couple decades was Dale Weise. And we claim guys like Puempel, Auld, Cracknell, McLeod, Hamrlik, Christensen, etc. Those guys were all garbage, other than Weise.
eco's bones
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To me Ho-Sang and Sonny Milano are kind of traveling the same road. Ability to wow with skill but they don't produce enough to justify the rest of what they bring. Sean Day to me is a defensive version of that--great size, great skater, handles and passes the puck really well but he doesn't have a complete game and his production never quite gets to a point that justifies what he's not that good at. Ho-Sang has another issue though and that's constant friction with his teammates and coaches. Ryan Merkley the Sharks 1st a couple years back--same problem. They're headaches to put up with--no one likes headaches.
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Most people rejected his message
I don't disagree, but that didn't stop Christensen from centering Gaborik for a year and a half and being a staple on our PP (dragging everyone's metrics down in the process).
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