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Around the NHL: Part XV - End the Damn Season Already

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Faceless said:
Maybe it's just me, but I like Names and think he adds value to our team. I wouldn't be quick to get rid of him unless it's in the right deal. Much rather move Vesey or Fast.
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Trade Names at the deadline.
 
Edge said:
I liked the draft they had and felt it has upside and balance. I think Robertson is a hell of a value pick.

Picking 20th, would've been nice, but I can't complain about that. I feel like you have to figure Trouba and Fox into the overall grade for the draft as well.
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Absolutely you have to factor in Trouba and Fox. I think we knocked it out of the ballpark.
 
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darko said:
Absolutely you have to factor in Trouba and Fox. I think we knocked it out of the ballpark.
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I've seen a few A- grades and I have to wonder what some of these people are smoking.

Kakko alone makes it an A- draft, even if the Rangers were to literally forfeit every other pick.

Having said that, the hype machine around the U.S. kid is in full bloom as seen by the draft presentation and subsequent media coverage.
 
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Edge said:
I've seen a few A- grades and I have to wonder what some of these people are smoking.

Kakko alone makes it an A- draft, even if the Rangers were to literally forfeit every other pick.

Having said that, the hype machine around the U.S. kid is in full bloom as seen by the draft presentation and subsequent media coverage.
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If we had traded for Trouba on draft day it would be an A+. But people have difficulty seeing those two things as one and the same since they happened a few days apart.
 
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Faceless said:
If we had traded for Trouba on draft day it would be an A+. But people have difficulty seeing those two things as one and the same since they happened a few days apart.
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Heck, let's even take Trouba and Fox out for the sake of conversation.

Grabbing Kakko, Robertson and Henriksson in the top 62 is a damn nice start to a draft.

I mean would anyone reading that article trade Kakko for Byram and Newhook? Let alone adding in Robertson or Henriksson?
 
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Pronman put together a list of players for the 2020 draft.

Lafreneire
Holtz
Raymond
Byfield
Askarov.
Lundell.
Drysdale.
Foudy
Halloway
Rossi.



 
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Canucks right now:

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Harbour Dog said:
Holy hell, that Miller trade is one of the worst I've ever seen.

Tampa basically cap dumped their way to a first.
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yeah I know some people in Vancouer hell even on Rangers HF dont agree with me on this Jim topic, but Jim Benning promised Vancouver media to do something in this 2019 draft, and JT. Miller is our key piece to achieve playoffs next season for a 1st in a very strong summer 20 draft. :rolleyes:
Have you guys looked at the Vancouver blueline recently, and it is worse than Rangers right now after Trouba and Fox signings.
I dont understand Jim he refuse to upgrade his blueline and extend mediocrity players, because their wish is to stay in Vancouver. He could waited and sign UFA players in July for only cap. reasons, and focus to upgrade his horrific blueline with 0 depths instead, but we ended to move our only 1st for JT, yup. :nod:
 
jas said:
People really need to stop looking at every trade as a battle won or lost. It's all about the complete puzzle to me. After winning the lottery and seeing already what the two trade deadline deals brought, I have completed re-thought some of my pre-conceived notions. Did it matter that the Rangers didn't get this year's 1st for Zuccarello, when they were able to get a player at 49 who would have been great value if the Dallas pick was in 28-31 range? Would we have thought that trading Kevin Hayes eventually facilitated a deal for Trouba? Was there a player at 37 that the Rangers would have taken over Fox? Hell, even the fact that the Rangers finished behind Detroit and Buffalo and ended up getting Kakko flies in the face of "tanking". I walk away from this draft believing the Rangers did a very good job of filling in the gaps of the system with a lot of players with boom potential. Just one slot to fill...FU Edmonton.
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The fruits of some trades aren't fully realized for awhile too. Takes some time and gestation to see the full context of the results of these moves so shoveling them all into this win/loss binary RIGHT NOW seems really simplistic sometimes.

Don't get me wrong, some trades are immediately and objectively bad but I think I like what this team has established thus far. That alone is pretty cool and I don't need to re-litigate the McDonagh/Miller trade because I'm already mad online about my sports teams lol.
 
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jas said:
People really need to stop looking at every trade as a battle won or lost. It's all about the complete puzzle to me. After winning the lottery and seeing already what the two trade deadline deals brought, I have completed re-thought some of my pre-conceived notions. Did it matter that the Rangers didn't get this year's 1st for Zuccarello, when they were able to get a player at 49 who would have been great value if the Dallas pick was in 28-31 range? Would we have thought that trading Kevin Hayes eventually facilitated a deal for Trouba? Was there a player at 37 that the Rangers would have taken over Fox? Hell, even the fact that the Rangers finished behind Detroit and Buffalo and ended up getting Kakko flies in the face of "tanking". I walk away from this draft believing the Rangers did a very good job of filling in the gaps of the system with a lot of players with boom potential. Just one slot to fill...FU Edmonton.
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I agree with this wholeheartedly. I think JG deserves very high marks on the whole.

But I don’t know why people feel the need to get all indignant when someone dare take the position that maybe Gorton didn’t do so well in a deal.

It’s not that hard to take a sum of the parts view.

McD for Howden, Hajek, 1st = good value.
Miller for Names, Conditional 1st (2nd) = bad value

McD for Names, Howden, Conditional = Bad value
Miller for Hajek and a 1st = very good value

Etc. etc.
 
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HatTrick Swayze said:
I agree with this wholeheartedly. I think JG deserves very high marks on the whole.

But I don’t know why people feel the need to get all indignant when someone dare take the position that maybe Gorton didn’t do so well in a deal.

It’s not that hard to take a sum of the parts view.

McD for Howden, Hajek, 1st = good value.
Miller for Names, Conditional 1st (2nd) = bad value

McD for Names, Howden, Conditional = Bad value
Miller for Hajek and a 1st = very good value

Etc. etc.
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You can't break the deal up because you don't know the conversations that took place. Here's a hypothetical:

Gorton asked for Howden, Hajek, and a 1st for McDonagh. Yzerman said no, that he needs more. Gorton may have tried adding a smaller piece, but maybe Yzerman insisted to balance out the trade Miller needed to be added for Namestnikov and the conditional 2nd. Whether you think Miller was worth Namestnikov and a conditional 2nd by itself isn't the point and it probably never was.
 
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