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Around the NHL - Part XLII - (2023-24 Season edition)

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FWIW I wasn't the biggest fan of JD the television play by play guy. That said while I agree he's the one who f***ed up on the Wilson Panarin thing he's not the biggest reason for everything that's gone south for us in the last few years.....and sometimes things don't work out. They made a couple bad guesses on draft picks....maybe should have even parted ways with Gordie Clark sooner. The Lias Andersson draft was full of failed picks.....he was just one of them. Chytil was a solid pick though. Kravtsov got the buzz because of a strong KHL playoffs and it wasn't a great idea as it turned out to try to catch lightning in a bottle when there was still a bunch more of excellent to very good and safer picks we could have taken. Taking Miller later kind of softens that a bit but.....anyway the draft before he was fired was a really good one. Lafreniere, Schneider, Berard, Garand......even Rempe might have a shot.
 
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I feel like JD is a very nice man. I don’t know him from Adam but that’s my sense. Being a very nice man doesn’t help in this particular job tho. In fact, it’s probably a hindrance. I don’t think he’s a good judge of character.
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Being nice doesn't have anything to with that. Let's talk about James Dolan. Apparently he is not a nice man and not easy to work for., and we know how he runs the Rangers
 
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egelband said:
I feel like JD is a very nice man. I don’t know him from Adam but that’s my sense. Being a very nice man doesn’t help in this particular job tho. In fact, it’s probably a hindrance. I don’t think he’s a good judge of character.
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I don't question him being a good guy; I just think he's a bad hockey executive; it's been proven with at least 2 organizations.
 
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I mean, there's no way that CLB keeps Jenner around after all this, right?

Gaudreau and Werenski also have egg on face here too. Who's even going to want Jenner after this? If I'm a GM I don't want this kind of player that'll carry the water for the coach blindly and not back up his teammates.
 
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Just saw Aston-Reese signed a PTO with Carolina.

Surely he was more deserving of a contract than Pitlick, right?

Sorry, this Pitlick signing still eats my ass.
 
I Eat Crow said:
I mean, there's no way that CLB keeps Jenner around after all this, right?

Gaudreau and Werenski also have egg on face here too. Who's even going to want Jenner after this? If I'm a GM I don't want this kind of player that'll carry the water for the coach blindly and not back up his teammates.
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I mean, I'd take him in a heartbeat on the Rangers
 
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I mean, I'd take him in a heartbeat on the Rangers
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Nah. Would rather have Trochek in that shutdown role, inclusive of contract status. Unless we're talking of moving him or Jenner to RW, no interest.

Keep an eye on Trochek to be one of the more improved players on this team this year as long as he's healthy. Guy was a nightmare to face when he was on Carolina. Play him in a system with structure, hell, any system with a plan and he'll thrive, and add 20 goals and 50-60 points to boot.
 
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Nah. Would rather have Trochek in that shutdown role, inclusive of contract status. Unless we're talking of moving him or Jenner to RW, no interest.

Keep an eye on Trochek to be one of the more improved players on this team this year as long as he's healthy. Guy was a nightmare to face when he was on Carolina. Play him in a system with structure, hell, any system with a plan and he'll thrive, and add 20 goals and 50-60 points to boot.
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By no means would I pick Jenner over Trochek, just saying I would like Jenner on this team. He's a unique player in the way that he plays physically.
 
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JD got fired because he put his status with his hockey buddies in the league above the team when Dolan actually had a f***ing point about Wilson being a menace the league refused to handle.

Definition of a country club guy. Shit lead executive. Probably has good value as a liason or a commentator.
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Remember JD recommended that Dolan hire Sather as GM when Neil Smith was fired. Love JD as a color analyst both for MSG and nationally, but as a hockey executive, he hasn’t shown to have great ability there.
 
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I shouldn't feel bad because this is a division rival, but I do feel for Columbus' fans here. Season is over before training camp even started.

The big question is whether the ownership group let's JD and Jarmo head another sell off at the deadline or if they let a new front office head it.
 
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Why?
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I have to imagine the whole organization from the top down is in shambles. An interim coach that has two days to prepare for a training camp. Uncertain futures for a front office that oversaw a massive scandal that became public. With a captain that supported the new coach blindly and threw his teammates under the bus. I don't think Werenski and Gaudreau are totally innocent here either.

Can you imagine how Fantilli, Johnson, and the other young guys feel, just breaking into the NHL and not being able to trust your vets?

It's a total, unmitigated disaster. They may best case scenario finish 5th or 6th in the division even if everything goes right.

I think Jenner has to be traded before the season opener regardless of what happens. That would be the best apology Jarmo and JD can offer the rest of the team.
 
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I Eat Crow said:
I shouldn't feel bad because this is a division rival, but I do feel for Columbus' fans here. Season is over before training camp even started.

The big question is whether the ownership group let's JD and Jarmo head another sell off at the deadline or if they let a new front office head it.
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I'm surprised that they didn't make a change now.

I get that there is fear with rocking the boat too hard but after this, they really need to be tossed overboard. They've both been with that team for a while (JD in 2 stints) with 1 playoff round win to show for it, and that was in a year where they YOLO'd it because they were losing everyone on the summer (that was a good team though.)

Most teams would have gone through at least 2 regime changes in that time period with the track record the Jackets have had and the latest transgression is one that is pretty unforgivable.
 
I Eat Crow said:
I have to imagine the whole organization from the top down is in shambles. An interim coach that has two days to prepare for a training camp. Uncertain futures for a front office that oversaw a massive scandal that became public. With a captain that supported the new coach blindly and threw his teammates under the bus. I don't think Werenski and Gaudreau are totally innocent here either.

Can you imagine how Fantilli, Johnson, and the other young guys feel, just breaking into the NHL and not being able to trust your vets?

It's a total, unmitigated disaster. They may best case scenario finish 5th or 6th in the division even if everything goes right.

I think Jenner has to be traded before the season opener regardless of what happens. That would be the best apology Jarmo and JD can offer the rest of the team.
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I do agree it's a chaotic situation. But season over? I don't really see it that way. They still have a young and exciting team. Maybe for some, this is the better coaching alternative to Babcock. No games have been lost yet, and Vincent comes from inside the organization so he doesn't have to do it all from scratch either.

Now I don't know about trading Jenner, but I was very vocal about maybe stripping him of the C. I guess it's better to let the team handle that. Because there really seemed to be a disconnect between the vets and younger players on this issue. And maybe it came down to the fact that Babs treated them differently who knows.

With the front office, I think many thought their future would hinge on the hockey side of things regardless of this situation, but at least now it has been stated.

TL;DR, yes it's chaotic. No, I don't really view it as "season over". It's not like without this incident they were 100% battling for a playoff spot and now they are doomed.

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I'm surprised that they didn't make a change now.

I get that there is fear with rocking the boat too hard but after this, they really need to be tossed overboard. They've both been with that team for a while (JD in 2 stints) with 1 playoff round win to show for it, and that was in a year where they YOLO'd it because they were losing everyone on the summer (that was a good team though.)

Most teams would have gone through at least 2 regime changes in that time period with the track record the Jackets have had and the latest transgression is one that is pretty unforgivable.
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Kekäläinen actually made the team competitive and perennial playoff team. And a lot of the recent regression of that team hasn't been his fault. Top players bolting, last year they were riddled with injuries... That said, he does carry the burden of f***ing up the two latest coaching hires and for that I think yes, it warrants him getting canned. But I do get the rationale of ownership here not wanting to make a change now, and giving them a lifeline based on how the season goes. But it's a thin lifeline...
 
Not a good look in CBus right now. I would have fired everybody. There is no shortage of front office potential in the hockey world, but chances are the owner doesnt want to actually have to do any of the hockey work so they will use the season to find replacements. They are likely fired after this year.

Also, I guess Seravelli wrote an article and Voracek called it "cancel culture". Can't say I agree with that statement. A coach, with a history of inappropriate behavior towards young players, acted inappropriately towards young players. Then the GM, Pres and Captain released a fake statement lying for the coach. Then got found out and then lied again about what they actually knew. THEN just got exposed again at a press conference that they must know more than they are saying or else they wouldn't say the coach couldn't stay or that they wanted to protect players privacy.
 
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Not a good look in CBus right now. I would have fired everybody. There is no shortage of front office potential in the hockey world, but chances are the owner doesnt want to actually have to do any of the hockey work so they will use the season to find replacements. They are likely fired after this year.

Also, I guess Seravelli wrote an article and Voracek called it "cancel culture". Can't say I agree with that statement. A coach, with a history of inappropriate behavior towards young players, acted inappropriately towards young players. Then the GM, Pres and Captain released a fake statement lying for the coach. Then got found out and then lied again about what they actually knew. THEN just got exposed again at a press conference that they must know more than they are saying or else they wouldn't say the coach couldn't stay or that they wanted to protect players privacy.
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This is why Jenner should have played his last game as a Jacket and would even go as far to say that he should not even be allowed to go to training camp. Tell him he can accept a trade to Arizona or he's suspended and not allowed with the team.

JD knows he's a lame duck. Jarmo just making himself look like even more of a clown as each day passes.
 
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This is why Jenner should have played his last game as a Jacket and would even go as far to say that he should not even be allowed to go to training camp. Tell him he can accept a trade to Arizona or he's suspended and not allowed with the team.

JD knows he's a lame duck. Jarmo just making himself look like even more of a clown as each day passes.
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Jenner may have been attempting to keep the lid on this and handle it internally rather than airing something in the press. I wouldn't say that he needs to be vilified here unless I missed something
 
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I Eat Crow said:
I have to imagine the whole organization from the top down is in shambles. An interim coach that has two days to prepare for a training camp. Uncertain futures for a front office that oversaw a massive scandal that became public. With a captain that supported the new coach blindly and threw his teammates under the bus. I don't think Werenski and Gaudreau are totally innocent here either.

Can you imagine how Fantilli, Johnson, and the other young guys feel, just breaking into the NHL and not being able to trust your vets?

It's a total, unmitigated disaster. They may best case scenario finish 5th or 6th in the division even if everything goes right.

I think Jenner has to be traded before the season opener regardless of what happens. That would be the best apology Jarmo and JD can offer the rest of the team.
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Yeah, can’t think of anything more demoralizing for a fanbase. You spend all summer getting excited for a coach that has had some success only for it fall apart a week before the season. And on top of it the organization/management looks like a bunch of buffoons that don’t know what they’re doing.

The Blue Jackets were gonna be shit anyway this year but if I was a fan, I’d be incredibly dejected.
 
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