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Around The NHL: Part VIII - Tampa/NYR = 0 Playoff Wins

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haohmaru said:
They were the home team and finished higher than the Pens.
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All year long we hear "But the play offs are different". That's why the Penguins were the favorites. They won 2 Cups in the last 3 years. Islanders hadn't even won 2 play off series in the last 20 years
 
Wait...people thought the Islanders were the favorites?
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SA16 said:
Ok? And the Penguins were -150 or so favorites on every single sportsbook out there despite those facts.
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And the better team won. Those are the "facts'. The Islanders finished with more points and were the home team. They weren't the underdog and I don't really care about Vegas betting lines. Anyone that watched that team knew how good they were defensively.
 
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Amazing Kreiderman said:
All year long we hear "But the play offs are different". That's why the Penguins were the favorites. They won 2 Cups in the last 3 years. Islanders hadn't even won 2 play off series in the last 20 years
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I think the 4-0 was pretty unexpected. I had them as pretty even going in with the Islanders as slight favorites being the home team. Pittsburgh didn't impress me this year.
 
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haohmaru said:
And the better team won. Those are the "facts'. The Islanders finished with more points and were the home team. They weren't the underdog and I don't really care about Vegas betting lines. Anyone that watched that team knew how good they were defensively.
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Vegas bookies set odds based off how people are gambling/expected to gamble. The fact is the Islanders were the better team over an 82 game season. They were more consistent than Pitt all year. I don't see how anyone could think they weren't favorites, let alone underdogs.
 
I don't know = calling the best defensive team in hockey that finished with more points than the team they're playing against an "underdog" based on Vegas odds seems like a reach.

I could get to "even" based on the Penguins star power but that's about it.
 
Amazing career years for both mediocre journeymen goalies that probably won't happen again = "best defensive team in hockey"
 
haohmaru said:
And the better team won. Those are the "facts'. The Islanders finished with more points and were the home team. They weren't the underdog and I don't really care about Vegas betting lines. Anyone that watched that team knew how good they were defensively.
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I mean yea they were the underdog. It’s an indisputable fact. What you said is also a fact about them having more points and being home. And if you thought they weren’t then you should have attempted to place a bet on it if you thought the odds were so wildly wrong.
 
Faceless said:
Vegas bookies set odds based off how people are gambling/expected to gamble. The fact is the Islanders were the better team over an 82 game season. They were more consistent than Pitt all year. I don't see how anyone could think they weren't favorites, let alone underdogs.
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This is generally not true and the biggest myth around. It is especially not true on something like hockey playoff series odds which bring in very low volume and have low limits. Do you think they really care if 100% of bets come in one side? The amount they would lose is negligible. The fact that a book took that 85k bet on tiger 14-1 shows you right there they do not care about mitigating risk they just want the highest expected value. They book hundreds of thousands of bets a year the result of one is near meaningless to their bottom line. It is far more important to them to make the odds the “true odds” such as not to get exploited by the pros.
 
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Gresch04 said:
NHL needs to give the 1 seeds a bye like the NFL. There’s no incentive to work so hard.
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Totally see what you’re saying. It’s crazy 82 games playing hard good hockey and your season is over in a week lol
It’s tricky but they have to find a way to make it more motivating to win the regular season.
 
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bl02 said:
Totally see what you’re saying. It’s crazy 82 games playing hard good hockey and your season is over in a week lol
It’s tricky but they have to find a way to make it more motivating to win the regular season.
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I sometimes feel this way, but I also think this is what makes NHL playoff hockey what it is.

It’s kind of a pro version of March madness and the result rarely feels pre-destined. So when you’re team hoists the cup, you feel almost as exhausted as they do.
 
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You, an intellectual: "Islanders are the best defensive team in hockey"

Me, dumb: "Islanders goaltending metrics for both of their goalies were among the top of the league, and the Islanders were one of the worst teams in the league in terms of giving up shot attempts, and supported their poor offensive attempts with otherwise unsustainable career years from Cizikas and Filppula"
 
aufheben said:
Not exactly a stellar week for Tampa lol.


I think we're seeing a sea change in play styles. I noticed it during the regular season, which teams were giving others the most trouble, and now looking at the teams eliminated. If this is the case, (i.e. not completely in my imagination,) firing AV and hiring Quinn could not have been better timing, much like going from Torts to AV. This core coming up under Quinn could be a big deal 2-3 years from now. Are you talking about other aspects?
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It’s partly that, I know experts all thought Washington winning the cup was because of ‘big beat u up’ hockey, but what it really feels like happened is it brought back the trap. But it also feels like the top tier teams of the past 10 years are falling off, but there isn’t really anyone to replace them yet because all the teams with the young already elite players have giant holes on them (Oilers, Avs, Toronto, etc) , and then the other really good teams just can’t seem to get it all together (Winnipeg, Tampa, Nashville, etc).
 
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Edge said:
Forget the Islanders and Jackets for a minute, the Avs are actually going to the second round.

Just imagine if that was happening and they had the top pick in the draft?
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There would be a HF implosion.
 
People are acting as if the Avalanche win was a major upset, but they were playing great down the stretch fighting for their playoff lives while Calgary had been pretty average for a while after an incredible start. Lindholm was in a major slump. Colorado even added Makar. I thought Colorado would win to be honest.
 
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Machinehead said:
A harder working team beats a more talented but soft team. I'm cool with that. That's always been a thing.

What I'm saying is that

1) The harder working team shouldn't be able to absolutely humiliate the more talented team simply because they worked harder.

2) A soft team shouldn't win 62 games to begin with. That's a soft league.

And this all goes back to the point that talent is too watered down and teams are a little bit too close.
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It's not like the Blue Jackets are talentless, though. Anderson, Atkinson, Bobrovsky, Duchene, Jenner, Jones, Panarin, etc. All these are good players.
 
Tampa had best record in league by a country mile and 62 win season, gets swept. Pittsburgh, not great but still had 99 points and some elite players, gets swept. Calgary, no 1 seed in west, loses in 5 to 8th seed, a team that was 6 points out of playoff spot in mid-march. San Jose will lose to Vegas, St. Louis could beat Winnipeg, and Carolina is giving Washington a run for their money. My Point? Regular season standings mean nothing especially with so much parity in cap era. I don't know why people have a problem with "get in and anything can happen" but it's true. Both conferences are wide open.
 
PuckLuck3043 said:
Tampa had best record in league by a country mile and 62 win season, gets swept. Pittsburgh, not great but still had 99 points and some elite players, gets swept. Calgary, no 1 seed in west, loses in 5 to 8th seed, a team that was 6 points out of playoff spot in mid-march. San Jose will lose to Vegas, St. Louis could beat Winnipeg, and Carolina is giving Washington a run for their money. My Point? Regular season standings mean nothing especially with so much parity in cap era. I don't know why people have a problem with "get in and anything can happen" but it's true. Both conferences are wide open.
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That last line, and these playoffs, are EXACTLY what I’m selling if I’m Jeff Gorton and I am establishing a market for Chris Kreider - especially with teams hanging close to the playoff cutoff.

What does a 28 year old, 25-30 goal scorer, at $2.3 million do for you? And now that I’ve got your attention, how much is it worth to you?
 
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