Around the NHL: Part VII – Sweeps and Suspensions (Mod Warning Post #249)

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But you don't have to go 100% all the time, and we're talking highly tuned athletes (the best of the best); if they can't hit safely at game speed, doesn't that mean the game is set up wrong? Accidents happen in sport (and life), especially when it comes down to split second timing, so i agree that players will still get hit high; but you can build a culture where everyone understands that even though it was an 'accident' the onus is on the hitter to be responsible and as safe as practicable. Players have been suspended for accidental high contact and for the most part they understand the why, don't get a reputation for being a 'cheap' player and just get on with the game, the NHL on the other hand puts almost all the onus on the player being hit and turns a blind eye unless it's really dangerous/looks per-meditated.

Would the game of hockey (at the NHL) level, really be totally ruined if players went in for body contact being aware that they were responsible for hitting correctly?

To me, it shows that the players don't care about potential repercussions because there are next to none. A 2 min penalty for interference. Getting ejected from the current game, and - in the grand scheme of their salaries - a menial fine. A 1-game suspension. That doesn't make them think twice, which is evidenced by the fact that players still constantly do blatantly dirty things - slewfoots, spearing people in the nuts, blatant and predatory blindside high hits, etc.

The only times we've seen the punishments gets serious is when you have a Tom Wilson or Raffi Torres finally get 20+ game suspensions after their 83rd infractions and a long history of just run-of-the-mill penalized (and surely tons of non-penalized) plays. Which, again, shows players that they have free reign to do what they want for just about however long they want under the guise of "They're just playing their game and 'toeing the line'." Matt Cooke's longest suspension was 10 games. He was the reason they created a rule to deal with blindside hits, to which he did not retroactively have to respond to. He wasn't given any sort of suspension or fine for the hit that cause the League to create the rule they made. They can be repeat offenders and the suspension length will go up from 1 game to like 3-5 games at most, most of the time. Over the course of an 82-game season, that means nothing to them.

What it says to me is that the rules doling out punishment are set up wrong, and are wildly inconsistent. Hits to the head - any hits to the head - should be met with serious punishment if the league wants players to think about what they're doing. Intentional, accidental, anything. Minimum 10 game suspension for any headshot, adding 10 games for each subsequent infraction. If they did something to that effect, I'd bet the farm that players would be exponentially more cautious.
 
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More hooking slashing cross checking penalties = more time.

You know the play stops during a fight right?

I mean we went through this in the 70s/80s. There was a fight every 5 minutes and games took forever.

You can youtube bench clearing brawls that seem like the length of an entire hockey game itself.

Besides, football games are like 4 hours long and the ball is only in play 11 minutes. People seem to tolerate that. I highly doubt its whats going to hurt the NHL.
 
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Anyone who has played the game at even a junior level would know that that is unrealistic. The game is faster than ever, players are now turning at the last minute and putting themselves in dangerous spots trying to get penalty calls. It's a nice thought but it will never happen unless they find a way to slow the game down.

I'm pretty sure they said the similar things about the pace of F1, then Senna died...
As i said earlier, you'll never be able to remove the danger of contact (without removing contact all together, which basically no-one wants), but you can start to put in place measures to reduce both the likelihood and impact of 'dangerous' impact, and it's probably possible to do this without fundamentally altering what hockey is all about. Other sports have been able to do this (or are in the process of doing it), it just takes some planning, some serious thought and most importantly an actual desire to do it
 
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Miller is such a schlub. I am sure there are plenty of people who will still try to make the case that we could have returned more moving him separately, but I don't really care because I'm glad we moved him out and I don't miss him. I get the feeling that he would not have been great on this team during this transition period.

It’s because you can’t coach stupid. I don’t miss anything about his game.
 
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I'm pretty sure they said the similar things about the pace of F1, then Senna died...
As i said earlier, you'll never be able to remove the danger of contact (without removing contact all together, which basically no-one wants), but you can start to put in place measures to reduce both the likelihood and impact of 'dangerous' impact, and it's probably possible to do this without fundamentally altering what hockey is all about. Other sports have been able to do this (or are in the process of doing it), it just takes some planning, some serious thought and most importantly an actual desire to do it

The worst thing to happen to hockey was the improvements to hockey equipment to allow you to be a human torpedo without much risk of injury to yourself. It would never happen but how many people would be taking huge runs at people if they had 80s gear on? The shoulder pads today are like a linebacker would wear and the elbow pads are made to protect basically anything hockey can throw at it.
 
The worst thing to happen to hockey was the improvements to hockey equipment to allow you to be a human torpedo without much risk of injury to yourself. It would never happen but how many people would be taking huge runs at people if they had 80s gear on? The shoulder pads today are like a linebacker would wear and the elbow pads are made to protect basically anything hockey can throw at it.

Very good point. One thing about the 2 other sports I mentioned is that there's no protective gear and you go in to every contest knowing that you might come off worse than the guy you are going to hit, and that the other guy is actually really vulnerable if you stuff it up. For NHLers I'm assuming the default thought process is "**** it, I'm protected and so is he"
 
It’s because you can’t coach stupid. I don’t miss anything about his game.

Miller cops more than his fair share of criticism IMO (and he certainly hasn't been TBLs worst forward in this series), but agree completely that he's done nothing to remove the 'stupid' from his game and that's going to mean he becomes a 'journey-man' cross the league
 
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Unreal. Tampa really needs to have a serious think about getting a strong leader onto that roster. If prime MSL was there in place of Stamkos or Kucherov, I have a very difficult time believing that this happens.
 
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