Around the NHL: Part VI – lol Tampa, Go Tampa!

[n8]

58

Oh right, depends how things work out in the conference finals. So 61 if they lose in the cup finals. 59 or 60 in the Conference finals. 58 otherwise.

 

[JT Kreider]

This is really short-sighted and it's hard for me to understand how anyone can be so spiteful as to prefer this course. There is an enormously huge difference between picking in the bottom of the 1st and the bottom of the second and we should all be hoping Tampa wins the cup

I'm in the same boat as the other poster. Now that we have Kakko I could care less about Tampa. To see such an overwhelming favorite choke so hard like this, it's only human to find a ton of satisfaction in that.

At this point I'm more interested in Dallas keeping Zuccarello and them having a mess of a 2019 season and setting us up for another lotto pick next year.

 

[Leonardo87]

I really doubt it. Stamkos sitting might help since he’s a total non factor in important playoff games but Kucherov would likely be a piece of them turning it around.

Cooper’s favoritism may also be their downfall as well. He continues to keep Ondrej Palat in the top 6 who has struggled badly and become a liability out there. He also is playing young kids with no playoff experience over vets who have had proven success in the playoffs.

 

[haveandare]

It makes you wonder if it was more the attitude of those players, than AV. Probably both, but far to much leeway seems to be given by coaches to more veteran teams. Not really a surprise that 'their farm team' had much of the same problems they are now witnessing. Thankfully, we avoided giving out the huge contracts that they will be saddled with for years.

It’s definitely part of it I think. McD always had too much of that “aww shucks we’ll get ‘em next time” kind of attitude. Being measured has a value for sure but you need to let your emotion in and let it fuel you a bit sometimes.

I suspect Cooper is similarly hands off in the way AV was. Look at Quinn. Even if someone has that laid back doesn’t really matter attitude, he instill something else in the group as a whole. If Cooper is hands off and the TB leadership group is similarly laid back to McD it makes sense that they’re floating around and having the game taken to them by a team with a competent and notoriously firey guy behind the bench.

 

[Leetch3]

If Tampa goes out in the first round where will that pick be in rd 2?

that pick ends up in carolina for adam fox

 

[jniklast]

Oh right, depends how things work out in the conference finals. So 61 if they lose in the cup finals. 59 or 60 in the Conference finals. 58 otherwise.

He asked for a Tampa Bay first round exit, so it would be 58 for sure.

 

[JT Kreider]

It’s definitely part of it I think. McD always had too much of that “aww shucks we’ll get ‘em next time” kind of attitude. Being measured has a value for sure but you need to let your emotion in and let it fuel you a bit sometimes.

AV-itis is very real. Yzerman was a fool to let it infect that locker room. He got out of dodge at the perfect time though. He is far and clear of the stink of this choke and left Brisebois with a salary cap mess to sort through.

So much dead weight with Palat, Killorn, Miller and Callahan. All have NTC's too I believe.

And JB just gave Cooper an extension less than 20 days ago. I know those are pretty meaningless and they can just eat the money but if I were a Tampa fan I would have no confidence in my GM if his first big move was that shortsighted of a decision.

 

[Matt Rentfree]

No Hedman at the Bolts practice today. I wonder if he's done for the year. He really hasn't looked "right" in either playoff game so far.

 

[haohmaru]

No Hedman at the Bolts practice today. I wonder if he's done for the year. He really hasn't looked "right" in either playoff game so far.

Hedman was talking shit at the end of last game - which isn't something I'd associate with someone being done for the year. At this point he probably needs to rest a lot more than he needs to practice. I'd be shocked if he's not standing there in game 3.

 

[haohmaru]

I'll tell you what, with all of the Tampa talk, it really puts things into perspective what that '93-94 squad accomplished with even more pressure on it. You look at that lineup and there wasn't a team in the league that should've taken them to 7 games and yet it happened probably solely because of the pressure and expectations of getting rid of the curse and the half-century+ between Cup wins. Tampa's got a lot less pressure and they're not dealing with it well to this point. I'm really curious how they'll come out in game 3 and what happens if they don't get the first goal.

Playoff hockey is different. Those pretty passes and dekes don't work nearly as well in the post season. Kucherov is a dumb ass for that cheap shot. Really hurt his team there.

 

[JT Kreider]

Hedman was talking **** at the end of last game - which isn't something I'd associate with someone being done for the year. At this point he probably needs to rest a lot more than he needs to practice. I'd be shocked if he's not standing there in game 3.

Yeah standing there staring into space leaving a man all alone in front chopping the puck past Vasi

 

[Ghost of jas]

58

Never mind.

 

[haohmaru]

Yeah standing there staring into space leaving a man all alone in front chopping the puck past Vasi

I was talking about during the national anthem, but whatever floats your boat.

 

[JT Kreider]

I was talking about during the national anthem, but whatever floats your boat.

 

[haohmaru]

I saw the game and that play, but thanks.

Not saying he's not hurt. Not saying he's playing well. Just saying he'll be in the lineup.

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

It’s definitely part of it I think. McD always had too much of that “aww shucks we’ll get ‘em next time” kind of attitude. Being measured has a value for sure but you need to let your emotion in and let it fuel you a bit sometimes.

I suspect Cooper is similarly hands off in the way AV was. Look at Quinn. Even if someone has that laid back doesn’t really matter attitude, he instill something else in the group as a whole. If Cooper is hands off and the TB leadership group is similarly laid back to McD it makes sense that they’re floating around and having the game taken to them by a team with a competent and notoriously firey guy behind the bench.

I mean, I have absolutely no experience in NHL locker rooms, but it always bothered me when coaches reportedly just 'left it to the players.' I've always been more attracted to the 'kick your ass' types like Torts or Quinn.

One of the things I really liked this year was the article by Brooks where he talked with Kreider after Quinn yelled at him in practice. Kreider wasn't embarrassed and took it really well, but it was a kick in the ass he wasn't used to in prior years.

Even vets need motivating and reminders. I don't understand leaving players to their own devices.

 

[haveandare]

I mean, I have absolutely no experience in NHL locker rooms, but it always bothered me when coaches reportedly just 'left it to the players.' I've always been more attracted to the 'kick your ass' types like Torts or Quinn.

One of the things I really liked this year was the article by Brooks where he talked with Kreider after Quinn yelled at him in practice. Kreider wasn't embarrassed and took it really well, but it was a kick in the ass he wasn't used to in prior years.

Even vets need motivating and reminders. I don't understand leaving players to their own devices.

Exactly. Some people can thrive with holding themselves accountable and nothing else but most can’t, be it in hockey or anything else

 

[BroadwayBlues]

I mean, I have absolutely no experience in NHL locker rooms, but it always bothered me when coaches reportedly just 'left it to the players.' I've always been more attracted to the 'kick your ass' types like Torts or Quinn.

One of the things I really liked this year was the article by Brooks where he talked with Kreider after Quinn yelled at him in practice. Kreider wasn't embarrassed and took it really well, but it was a kick in the ass he wasn't used to in prior years.

Even vets need motivating and reminders. I don't understand leaving players to their own devices.

I'm thinking if this wasn't hockey, it would have been all over sports radio/tv. Cause the new thing in sports is that you can't yell at the players.

 

[FireGerardGallant]

Kuch shoulda got atleast 2

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I mean, I have absolutely no experience in NHL locker rooms, but it always bothered me when coaches reportedly just 'left it to the players.' I've always been more attracted to the 'kick your ass' types like Torts or Quinn.

One of the things I really liked this year was the article by Brooks where he talked with Kreider after Quinn yelled at him in practice. Kreider wasn't embarrassed and took it really well, but it was a kick in the ass he wasn't used to in prior years.

Even vets need motivating and reminders. I don't understand leaving players to their own devices.

It depends on your room and really the player as well.

Being a crack whip (Torts) is just as bad as being completely hands off (AV.) The best coaches and even leaders recognize that different people respond to different things (from a personality standpoint, in terms of actual X's and O's, Torts is light years ahead of AV which says a lot.)

The good thing is I think Quinn gets that, or at least it seems like he does.

 

[Fugazy]

Would be great even if we don’t get Tampa’s first round pick to trade the second rounder we get for Adam Fox.

 

[LieutenantLackluster]

This is really short-sighted and it's hard for me to understand how anyone can be so spiteful as to prefer this course. There is an enormously huge difference between picking in the bottom of the 1st and the bottom of the second and we should all be hoping Tampa wins the cup.

By the time you get to 31st pick I dont think it makes that much of a difference

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I won't say no to Fox, but we really, really need a top 4 matchup RHD.

 

[Leetch3]

I won't say no to Fox, but we really, really need a top 4 matchup RHD.

lets get both

 

[Fitzy]

I hate when Pierre says "have fun" before a playoff game. It's so flippant. These guys are working their asses off under a lot of pressure and stress.