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[Zman5778]

Avs board seems pretty mad about the Mitts deal. Seems fair to me.

I can see it if they're upset about the term. AAV is great.

I do wonder if the term is why we traded him. Maybe he always wanted to do a shorter deal with this one, and Adams wanted him longer term.

 

[HaNotsri]

I can see it if they're upset about the term. AAV is great.

I do wonder if the term is why we traded him. Maybe he always wanted to do a shorter deal with this one, and Adams wanted him longer term.

Not a critique against you but I think we're all becoming experts in dealing with cognitive dissonance.

 

[Zman5778]

Not a critique against you but I think we're all becoming experts in dealing with cognitive dissonance.

How so?

 

[Beerz]

I would of loved that deal for Mitts here.

Ugh

 

[joshjull]

Some day he’ll grasp that was based on a long term deal. But today is not that day.

 

[enthusiast]

I’d certainly have rather kept Mitts on that deal than Byram at whatever they’ll sign him for

 

[HaNotsri]

How so?

Page reloaded and killed my long answer.
We kind of invent, logical, good reasons for our GMs actions. Like "Pegs made Botts trade ROR"

I immediately bought the reason that the term was a good reason before catching myself. Colorado got a steal of a deal.

 

[old kummelweck]

Am I wrong to believe Ottawa made out like bandits in that deal?

I don't think it's that one-sided. My issue is Ullmark is good enough to keep Ottawa relevant in the playoff mix and giving them a solid piece. Not sure he's the guy that can win you a tight series, but he can get you to that series. I would give them an edge in the goalie position head-to-head with buffalo, but I don't think it's a big gap.

 

[TehDoak]

I would of loved that deal for Mitts here.

Ugh

He wasn't signing that deal here.

He knows what its like to be on a bad team. A trade from Colorado to another bad team likely isn't an outcome he wanted.

So he and his agent likely saw value in staying on a good team and signed the team friendly deal he did.

 

[SundherDome]

I don't think it's that one-sided. My issue is Ullmark is good enough to keep Ottawa relevant in the playoff mix and giving them a solid piece. Not sure he's the guy that can win you a tight series, but he can get you to that series. I would give them an edge in the goalie position head-to-head with buffalo, but I don't think it's a big gap.

I don't even know if he can get that team to the playoffs. Their dzone coverage was terrible. If they shore it up and get to the playoffs, Ullmark was terrible in the playoffs. I think the upgrade in net was good for them but I also think there may have been different options after NJ set the market in which they used that first to get a top 4 dman. I'm glad they did it though, it takes ammo away from a team that is looking for the same stuff we are.

 

[Chainshot]

I don't even know if he can get that team to the playoffs. Their dzone coverage was terrible. If they shore it up and get to the playoffs, Ullmark was terrible in the playoffs. I think the upgrade in net was good for them but I also think there may have been different options after NJ set the market in which they used that first to get a top 4 dman. I'm glad they did it though, it takes ammo away from a team that is looking for the same stuff we are.

Ottawa is also supposedly looking to move off Chychrun and might have Pinto out in the mix. They aren't done either.

 

[KeyserSoze81]

Reinhart’s Florida deal all over again. We need to get good so we can discounts like this.

No way he signs a deal like this with us

The last time we were good, everyone who had the option left (or tried to leave) in 2007. Buffalo does not get discounts. We have high taxes, an undesirable market, and a losing history. The only way we get good contracts is signing players to long term deals before they have more leverage. That is one thing that Adams has tried to do right, but there is a lot of potential of that backfiring. This franchise operates under a massive handicap in a league with guaranteed contracts and prevalent NMCs.

Some of that gets relaxed if the team can ever have a period of sustained success, but it will forever be fleeting.

 

[Chainshot]

The last time we were good, everyone who had the option left (or tried to leave) in 2007. Buffalo does not get discounts. We have high taxes, an undesirable market, and a losing history. The only way we get good contracts is signing players to long term deals before they have more leverage. That is one thing that Adams has tried to do right, but there is a lot of potential of that backfiring. This franchise operates under a massive handicap in a league with guaranteed contracts and prevalent NMCs.

Considering how the team president was acting, there is reason why those guys left. Don't be a dink, don't build little empires and pit groups in the same organization against one another - including the talent on the ice.

 

[Beerz]

He wasn't signing that deal here.

He knows what its like to be on a bad team. A trade from Colorado to another bad team likely isn't an outcome he wanted.

So he and his agent likely saw value in staying on a good team and signed the team friendly deal he did.

I see no reason why he wouldn't sign that here. He loved it here and loved his teammates and knew nothing else except what it was like to be here. He would of signed that deal here

 

[TageGod]

Came here to post where the 7x7 was. Seems like a fair deal for Mitts, I'd keep him for that. He is probably making bank on that UFA deal though, smart.

 

[TehDoak]

I see no reason why he wouldn't sign that here. He loved it here and loved his teammates and knew nothing else except what it was like to be here. He would of signed that deal here

Ask yourself this:

Has any Sabres RFA taken a team friendly deal since he has been the GM?

The answer is no. They have all been, without exception, top of market deals. And it hasn't mattered because we haven't been within spitting distance of the cap.

Colorado has real cap issues.

Adams has not been a good negotiator, and to be frank, he hasn't had any semblance of a hammer to use. The 'sign this or we trade you' threat doesn't really work well when they see all their teammates who get traded go on to win the cup the next year.

I'm sure Mittelstadt wasn't eager to find out how the food in Columbus is or what the alcohol rules in Utah are like.

 

[Zman5778]

Ask yourself this:

Has any Sabres RFA taken a team friendly deal since he has been the GM?

The answer is no. They have all been, without exception, top of market deals.

Tage and Cozens were/are NOT top of market deals. They're pretty damned team friendly, especially coming off of the years that they had.

If Tage signed his extension after his 47/47/94 deal.....he could have easily asked for and gotten $9-10M per year. Cozens is/was market price. Not team friendly but also not top of market as you claim.

 

[joshjull]

 

[TehDoak]

Tage and Cozens were/are NOT top of market deals. They're pretty damned team friendly, especially coming off of the years that they had.

Tage's deal was a giant dice roll given his history. It simply worked out (well, so far)

Cozens deal was, essentially, the Joshua Norris deal, but it was a little less in AAV because it was a 7 year deal vs an 8 year deal. But....it was absolutely top of market for his production at the time. It was signed in season

 

[OkimLom]

RE: Mittelstadt Contract

I like the deal for Colorado and Mittelstadt. Gives him a chance to provide sustainable production on a highly offensive skilled team for a more lucrative contract. Also allows Colorado to develop Mittelstadt's replacement when the time comes to move on.

 

[Jim Bob]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1805662066797428744

https://x.com/i/web/status/1805664498046394864

 

[Beerz]

Ask yourself this:

Has any Sabres RFA taken a team friendly deal since he has been the GM?

The answer is no. They have all been, without exception, top of market deals. And it hasn't mattered because we haven't been within spitting distance of the cap.

Colorado has real cap issues.

Adams has not been a good negotiator, and to be frank, he hasn't had any semblance of a hammer to use. The 'sign this or we trade you' threat doesn't really work well when they see all their teammates who get traded go on to win the cup the next year.

I'm sure Mittelstadt wasn't eager to find out how the food in Columbus is or what the alcohol rules in Utah are like.

Well I don't see this as a "team friendly" deal... looks like a pretty fair deal for .it's value

 

[Jim Bob]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1805632118526972250

 

[MarkusKetterer]

Ottawa is also supposedly looking to move off Chychrun and might have Pinto out in the mix. They aren't done either.

Now that Kastelic is gone, Pinto and Grieg (no chance) are the only two left that interest me.

 

[Dubi Doo]

Ullmark is a nice add for the Sens, but they have a ton of work to do to get to the playoffs. I also think the man behind their bench will be a pretty big issue. I doubt he's the one that'll get that team to buy into playing defense. They have similar problems as the Sabres.