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[AjaxManifesto]

Yep and now you see why Pietro was adamant on NMC in Vegas.

Vegas treats players horribly. Fleury, Patches, & so on.

We are now Vegas East

Listen to the interview.

Former Blues forward David Perron – 101 ESPN

Former Blue and now Red Wing David Perron joins the show to talk about his feelings after signing with the Red Wings, why he's disappointed, the Blues not offic

www.101espn.com

 

[Stealth JD]

We are now Vegas East

Listen to the interview.

Former Blues forward David Perron – 101 ESPN

Former Blue and now Red Wing David Perron joins the show to talk about his feelings after signing with the Red Wings, why he's disappointed, the Blues not offic

www.101espn.com

The big difference is that Army typically honors the entirety of the contracts he extends to players, for better or for worse. Sure, he move Bergy and Sobotka...but for the most part if you sign a contract with STL you can expect to be here at the end of it. Beyond that? Maybe not...but Army doesn't chase the flavor-of-the-day at the expense of yesterday's fancy. Petro was wise to demand a NMC from Vegas, but there's no reason to think he would have needed it in STL to prevent Doug from moving him the next day. Vegas would absolutely pull that shit if say, Makar, demanded a trade and was interested in Vegas.

 

[Stupendous Yappi]

We are now Vegas East

Listen to the interview.

Former Blues forward David Perron – 101 ESPN

Former Blue and now Red Wing David Perron joins the show to talk about his feelings after signing with the Red Wings, why he's disappointed, the Blues not offic

www.101espn.com

I didn’t listen, but I’ll assume it’s about Armstrong not giving Perron a reasonable (or official) offer. My understanding is that David was offered a version of an extension for either one or two years, a year ago or so, for similar rates to his expiring contract. I don’t blame Perron for not taking that offer, but I also don’t think those are insulting efforts.

I don’t have a problem with a GM realizing he can’t afford to re-sign one of his veterans, to make the envisioned roster fit under the cap. Palat wasn’t re-signed in Tampa, but I don’t think it was a slight to him. The big difference with Armstrong and Vegas’ approach is that Armstrong is doing the work BEFORE he makes offers and brings in players. Perron was treated well his entire contract.

Even when Armstrong makes trades like Leddy, he is usually looking at it as a potential long-term move, acquiring a player he wants to fit onto the roster long-term. Armstrong manages assets in a way that is both respectful, and also makes business sense. The only thing I view as questionable in that regard is the Berglund NTC issue…and that would probably not have been a big deal if Berglund didn’t prove to have mental health challenges or did have an agent who did his job.

With Armstron, I don’t always understand what he’s doing until the dust settles, but he always gives me the impression he is pursuing a vision of what he wants the roster to look like. With Vegas, I sense zero vision, besides impulsive pursuit of star power. I’m a little surprised they didn’t find a way to become players for Kadri or Gaudreau.

 

[Eldon Reid]

We are now Vegas East

Listen to the interview.

Former Blues forward David Perron – 101 ESPN

Former Blue and now Red Wing David Perron joins the show to talk about his feelings after signing with the Red Wings, why he's disappointed, the Blues not offic

www.101espn.com

I can see both sides of the argument on this.

The reason why it isn't bad.

Think about it like a used car. Someone has a car for sale for 10k. You're interested, and you go look at it. When you get there and see it, it is a piece of junk worth maybe 1000 dollars tops. Are you even going to make an offer to insult them? Probably not. Or you take 5000 bucks with you when looking at a car someone is selling for 10k? You see the car and the car is perfect condition. A bargain at 10k and is worth more like 12,500 or 15k. Do you offer the 5k to person for it even though you know he won't take it and it is kinda insulting. (NOT EXAMPLE SAME AS THIS, but it hits the point). Blues have 2.5 mill left. Are they going to offer Perron an insulting offer? I think Blues wanted to make fair offer to him, but know they don't have the money available to do that.


The reason it is bad

Perron has bleed blue his whole life. I do feel offer should have been made, but the Blues just didn't have the cash. To me, I think the Blues wanted to a very fair offer to him not a low ball (I.E. 2.5 AAV over 2 years)

The big difference is that Army typically honors the entirety of the contracts he extends to players, for better or for worse. Sure, he move Bergy and Sobotka...but for the most part if you sign a contract with STL you can expect to be here at the end of it. Beyond that? Maybe not...but Army doesn't chase the flavor-of-the-day at the expense of yesterday's fancy. Petro was wise to demand a NMC from Vegas, but there's no reason to think he would have needed it in STL to prevent Doug from moving him the next day. Vegas would absolutely pull that shit if say, Makar, demanded a trade and was interested in Vegas.

#1 We aren't even close to Vegas at all.

List of players Vegas just no thanks

Fleury (Lehner)
Patches (Been trying to trade him since he signed with them basically)
Schmidt (sign longer term extension) trade after 1st season of it
Dadonov (Messed up NTC clause)
Miller (Signed extension and traded after 1 year)

Vegas is ruthless and I personally hope they struggle

 

[AjaxManifesto]

I didn’t listen, but I’ll assume it’s about Armstrong not giving Perron a reasonable (or official) offer. My understanding is that David was offered a version of an extension for either one or two years, a year ago or so, for similar rates to his expiring contract. I don’t blame Perron for not taking that offer, but I also don’t think those are insulting efforts.

I don’t have a problem with a GM realizing he can’t afford to re-sign one of his veterans, to make the envisioned roster fit under the cap. Palat wasn’t re-signed in Tampa, but I don’t think it was a slight to him. The big difference with Armstrong and Vegas’ approach is that Armstrong is doing the work BEFORE he makes offers and brings in players. Perron was treated well his entire contract.

Even when Armstrong makes trades like Leddy, he is usually looking at it as a potential long-term move, acquiring a player he wants to fit onto the roster long-term. Armstrong manages assets in a way that is both respectful, and also makes business sense. The only thing I view as questionable in that regard is the Berglund NTC issue…and that would probably not have been a big deal if Berglund didn’t prove to have mental health challenges or did have an agent who did his job.

With Armstron, I don’t always understand what he’s doing until the dust settles, but he always gives me the impression he is pursuing a vision of what he wants the roster to look like. With Vegas, I sense zero vision, besides impulsive pursuit of star power. I’m a little surprised they didn’t find a way to become players for Kadri or Gaudreau.

I get you.

I'm in management and sometimes you have to make very tough calls. However, I'm reminded of my training as an Army officer:

Mission First, People Always

It's kind of simplistic, but I try to live by this. You get the mission done. DA is VERY FOCUSED on this. However, you still need to stay engaged as a human and take care of people. If anything, if things don't work out, you avoid burnt bridges and hope that you've done everything to ensure trust and respect. I think DA sacrifices the human side and maximizes the business side. It's too out of balance from my POV. DA owed Perron a heart to heart discussion after the season ended. It appears that NEVER happened.

 

[BlueDream]

I didn’t listen, but I’ll assume it’s about Armstrong not giving Perron a reasonable (or official) offer. My understanding is that David was offered a version of an extension for either one or two years, a year ago or so, for similar rates to his expiring contract. I don’t blame Perron for not taking that offer, but I also don’t think those are insulting efforts.

I don’t have a problem with a GM realizing he can’t afford to re-sign one of his veterans, to make the envisioned roster fit under the cap. Palat wasn’t re-signed in Tampa, but I don’t think it was a slight to him. The big difference with Armstrong and Vegas’ approach is that Armstrong is doing the work BEFORE he makes offers and brings in players. Perron was treated well his entire contract.

Even when Armstrong makes trades like Leddy, he is usually looking at it as a potential long-term move, acquiring a player he wants to fit onto the roster long-term. Armstrong manages assets in a way that is both respectful, and also makes business sense. The only thing I view as questionable in that regard is the Berglund NTC issue…and that would probably not have been a big deal if Berglund didn’t prove to have mental health challenges or did have an agent who did his job.

With Armstron, I don’t always understand what he’s doing until the dust settles, but he always gives me the impression he is pursuing a vision of what he wants the roster to look like. With Vegas, I sense zero vision, besides impulsive pursuit of star power. I’m a little surprised they didn’t find a way to become players for Kadri or Gaudreau.

You make some good points but I'm not sure I agree with the bolded. Sometimes it does feel like he makes knee-jerk reactions or impulse moves to try to bring in more talent, but I'm not always sure what vision or identity he's going for. I can't really tell you what his current plan for the team is right now. It's still a good roster but like, what kind of team are we trying to be? It's not to the level of Vegas of course, but he can be a confusing GM.

 

[ValHaller]

You make some good points but I'm not sure I agree with the bolded. Sometimes it does feel like he makes knee-jerk reactions or impulse moves to try to bring in more talent, but I'm not always sure what vision or identity he's going for. I can't really tell you what his current plan for the team is right now. It's still a good roster but like, what kind of team are we trying to be? It's not to the level of Vegas of course, but he can be a confusing GM.

He does make those knee-jerk moves, but then he plays it off as if it was all part of the plan and any negative consequences of those moves are on someone else, not himself.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

Walman just had shoulder surgery

 

[joe galiba]

Walman just had shoulder surgery

shoulder surgery sucks donkey balls!

 

[Allens Five Hole]

With Calgary losing their best player and essentially all of the other western conference teams getting worse, who else really is there besides COL and STL next year? It sucks we will likely have to face them in the 2nd round again should we get there.

The only team I can think of that could potentially challenge in the west is a revamped Kings squad. Am I alone on this one?

 

[Linkens Mastery]

Norris just got a little less than 8Yx8M. Seems like the new "young top line center" deal around the league.

 

[Vektor]

With Calgary losing their best player and essentially all of the other western conference teams getting worse, who else really is there besides COL and STL next year? It sucks we will likely have to face them in the 2nd round again should we get there.

The only team I can think of that could potentially challenge in the west is a revamped Kings squad. Am I alone on this one?

Maybe the Oilers if they make another move or two. Maybe?

 

[Allens Five Hole]

Maybe the Oilers if they make another move or two. Maybe?

Personally, I wouldn't bet on it but they realistically are probably the best Pacific team right now. I just will not believe in them until I see it. I know this sounds like I'm discounting their run because, lets face it, I am, but that was probably the easiest run to the WCF they could have had and then they just got obliterated.

I feel the same way about COL too. They won the Cup and any Cup is difficult to earn but my goodness, that had to be the easiest Cup run I can think of in the cap era.

 

[Vektor]

Personally, I wouldn't bet on it but they realistically are probably the best Pacific team right now. I just will not believe in them until I see it. I know this sounds like I'm discounting their run because, lets face it, I am, but that was probably the easiest run to the WCF they could have had and then they just got obliterated.

I feel the same way about COL too. They won the Cup and any Cup is difficult to earn but my goodness, that had to be the easiest Cup run I can think of in the cap era.

Oh I don't think they're all that good. The conference just appears to be that weak.

 

[PJJJP]

Looks like Hockey Canada is reopening the investigation into the sexual assault by CHL members and some member of the 2018 WJC team. There are some big names on that list. What a disgusting action, just absolute disgust

 

[Bobby Orrtuzzo]

Looks like Hockey Canada is reopening the investigation into the sexual assault by CHL members and some member of the 2018 WJC team. There are some big names on that list. What a disgusting action, just absolute disgust

I know it’s been said Kyrou wasn’t there, so that’s a relief in that regard. Hopefully Thomas didn’t have any part in this. Horrible all around and hope all involved get the justice they deserve.

 

[joe galiba]

Looks like Hockey Canada is reopening the investigation into the sexual assault by CHL members and some member of the 2018 WJC team. There are some big names on that list. What a disgusting action, just absolute disgust

just for show

after 4 years what can they come up with?
there were more potential players there than perps
everyone will say it wasn’t me
nobody was identified then, how the hell can you identify anyone now
if you put everyone’s name out you are painting innocents with the same brush as the guilty
a complete clusterf*ck

the “investigation“ was a fubar right from the get go
everyone involved should be canned

 

[Reality Czech]

With Calgary losing their best player and essentially all of the other western conference teams getting worse, who else really is there besides COL and STL next year? It sucks we will likely have to face them in the 2nd round again should we get there.

The only team I can think of that could potentially challenge in the west is a revamped Kings squad. Am I alone on this one?

I personally think Edmonton is gonna win a Cup in the next 3-5 years. You can only keep the best player in the game down for so long, and they seem to be trending in the right direction.

And as much as it pains me, I think Vegas will bounce back strong and push for the Pacific crown next year.

 

[The Note]

With Calgary losing their best player and essentially all of the other western conference teams getting worse, who else really is there besides COL and STL next year? It sucks we will likely have to face them in the 2nd round again should we get there.

The only team I can think of that could potentially challenge in the west is a revamped Kings squad. Am I alone on this one?

I think you are underrating Edmonton, which I know you acknowledge, but yeah the conference is pretty weak. Campbell is certainly an upgrade over 80 year old Mike Smith and while I have real doubts that his contract ages well, he is definitely an upgrade. They brought Kane back who fit like a glove with McDavid. The team still has its flaws, but so does any other team they'll be competing with. I also think Vegas will be back in the mix now that they dropped DeBoer and assuming they get even a little bit luckier on the injury front. The conference is far from a murderers row right now and barring some major injuries or Georgiev being outright horrendous, the Avs have to be viewed as heavy, heavy favorites.

 

[Stealth JD]

Norris just got a little less than 8Yx8M. Seems like the new "young top line center" deal around the league.

Dallas got better by adding Marchment and ditching Bowness.
Nashville got better by adding McDonagh.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

Dallas got better by adding Marchment and ditching Bowness.
Nashville got better by adding McDonagh.

Dallas lost klingberg and radulov. Seems like basically treading water.

 

[Stealth JD]

Dallas lost klingberg and radulov. Seems like basically treading water.

Klingberg has been hemorrhaging chances against for the past couple of years. It may be addition by subtraction for the Stars. Radulov has been pretty bad too, so I don't know that they're much worse, if any, with his loss as well. I think the biggest gain was firing Bowness who was a dinosaur trapped in 1994.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

Dallas got better by adding Marchment and ditching Bowness.
Nashville got better by adding McDonagh.

?? All I did was compare Norris' contract with Thomas.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

Klingberg has been hemorrhaging chances against for the past couple of years. It may be addition by subtraction for the Stars. Radulov has been pretty bad too, so I don't know that they're much worse, if any, with his loss as well. I think the biggest gain was firing Bowness who was a dinosaur trapped in 1994.

A dinosaur who got them to finals..

 

[joe galiba]

A dinosaur who got them to finals..

Open the door, get on the floor
Everybody walk the dinosaur