JJ is super motivated to get that 700 th goal it seems . I wouldn't mind him as one of the NYR Rws. He can hold onto the puck and still has a great shot . Take him over Poo man right now
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Exactly right. Some of these posters sound like cranky old ladies as they ***** and moan about how lucky the Devils are. Who the hell cares about them; let's worry about our own wonderful team that's .500 after 22 games!
gary laser eyes
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ummmm. This is the Around the NHL thread. It's specifically made to ***** and moan about other teams.
The Devils doing well now will make it that much more delicious when they inevitably fail.
It's all about ebbs and flows. Right now, they're winning but who's to say they won't compete for a playoff spot to the bloody end,
God, I hope I'm wrong!
Except if the Rangers had 5 shots in 2 periods and even ended winning you'd be the first to say how lucky they were. Do you not notice how you seem to make excuses for other teams and trash the Rangers for the same thing?
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I was actually in the "Devils will compete for a playoff spot" camp in the preseason. Much like the Rangers rode Lundqvist to the playoffs for all those years the Devils could ride a hot goalie tandem. But their top 3 scorers are Jagr, Zidlicky and Elias. Combined age: 114. These guys can't keep this up all season. Pretty soon science will take over.
glenwo2
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Even if Jagr runs out of gas, if it happens once the Devils make the playoffs, then that's still a "win" for them since their mission of at least avoiding in giving up a high draft pick would be accomplished.
That would make his signing by Lou worth every penny considering the situation.
NYR Viper
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Even if Jagr runs out of gas, if it happens once the Devils make the playoffs, then that's still a "win" for them since their mission of at least avoiding in giving up a high draft pick would be accomplished.
That would make his signing by Lou worth every penny considering the situation.
Or if he continues on this pace until the trade deadline and they off-load him to another team for their 1st, mission accomplished.
nyrpassion
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haha, was hoping we'd snag him last summer as a FA. Don't want to give up pieces for him to the Devils. Maybe next summer.
gary laser eyes
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You would think after the last two years GMs will realize that post trade deadline the guy will not have much left in the tank and is probably not worth a 1st. Conditional 1st at most.
glenwo2
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That would be a win for Lou, who to this day I can never understand what the hell he was thinking when he decided to keep the 29th pick.
But I'm not sure Jagr would fetch a 1st-rounder even if he was playing like he was in his prime.
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gary laser eyes
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There will surely be a GM desperate enough to pay that price. Do you really think Lou trades Jagr if the Devils are in playoff position? I feel like the fans would riot. Obviously there would be fans who can realize that it's the right move to make but the average fan would be very upset.
Trust me Ranger fans, I have just as little idea how we won that game last night as you guys do. Poor Schneider. I was thinking maybe the Devils will finally give the poor guy some goal support.... and they make him fight harder than he's ever fought for a win. His save % is .925 and GAA is 1.87 yet his record is 2-5-3.
As for Jagr... not just because of his age, I'm sure he'll slow down eventually. What we're hoping for now is that guys like Ryder, Brunner, Henrique, and Loktionov can take this period and get their crap together. The one thing I will disagree with is whoever said the Devils were a crap team. I think if everyone is playing as they should be, the Devils are a very good team with the best goalie tandem in the league. Problem is, when 1/3 of the team is on, the other 2/3 start taking nights off.
Sure the Devils seemed to have turned the season around winning big games against Boston, Pittsburgh, Anaheim, and LA... but they have no problem going out against a team like the Blue Jackets and getting blown out on any night. We have a long way to go.
..and don't worry about Ranger fans caring too much about other teams. Devils fans are worse and I don't mind saying it. There's actually a guy with season tickets that gets up, turns around, and yells "HEY EVERYBODY, THE RANGERS ARE LOSING!!!!!" Last week, I yelled at him "Yeah, and so are we... so shut the **** up and sit down" Some Devils fans have the worst Ranger complex it's embarrassing sometimes.
As for Jagr... not just because of his age, I'm sure he'll slow down eventually. What we're hoping for now is that guys like Ryder, Brunner, Henrique, and Loktionov can take this period and get their crap together. The one thing I will disagree with is whoever said the Devils were a crap team. I think if everyone is playing as they should be, the Devils are a very good team with the best goalie tandem in the league. Problem is, when 1/3 of the team is on, the other 2/3 start taking nights off.
Sure the Devils seemed to have turned the season around winning big games against Boston, Pittsburgh, Anaheim, and LA... but they have no problem going out against a team like the Blue Jackets and getting blown out on any night. We have a long way to go.
..and don't worry about Ranger fans caring too much about other teams. Devils fans are worse and I don't mind saying it. There's actually a guy with season tickets that gets up, turns around, and yells "HEY EVERYBODY, THE RANGERS ARE LOSING!!!!!" Last week, I yelled at him "Yeah, and so are we... so shut the **** up and sit down" Some Devils fans have the worst Ranger complex it's embarrassing sometimes.
I think Lou's in a good position. Either the team has a good season and makes the playoffs, or Lou can stock up on some draft picks by trading Jagr, Zidlicky, Fayne, or hell even Brodeur.
NYR Viper
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I agree with this. I think he signed a lot of guys to 1 year deals thinking this exact thing as the Devils need to restock their system. This is an easy way to do it.
Exactly... and if the Devils keep winning and get into the playoffs... then so what. Keep the guys and go for a playoff run.
The one thing I have to keep defending is Lou not giving up the #29 overall pick. At that time, the Devils were fresh off a cup run, the team still had Parise, Kovalchuk, and Clarkson. How is any GM going to guess that all three players would bolt and the team would miss the playoffs in the next season? Parise told Lou he was staying up until the minute he left, NO ONE saw the Kovy retirement happening until right before it did, and I wouldn't be surprised if Clarkson cut Lou's lawn every Saturday morning... He was a committed Devil.
Matteau is going to be a good player and will end up replacing a guy like Dainius Zubrus. It was a solid pick. The Devils are going to have one of the best defenses in the league in a year or two. Gelinas is FANTASTIC, Larsson is getting much better, and we have Severson and Merrill on the horizon. Lou avoided the goalie crisis with Schneider. We also have a potential stud in Reid Boucher who just broke Stamkos's junior scoring record. If I'm Lou, I let Jagr walk and find a way to get rid of Volchenkov and Salvador (trades, buyouts, compliance buyout). That's more than enough cap space to throw a blank check at guys like Stastny, Vanek, Phaneuf, and so on.... Hell, even Gaborik. The Devils are VERY close to being a real scary team if Lou plays this correctly and uses the new wealthy owners to his advantage.
gary laser eyes
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The Caps have 5 shootout wins in 22 games. 25 points with 7 ROW.
The Rangers have 0 shootout appearances.
The Rangers have 0 shootout appearances.
NYR Viper
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They are going to be missing some key pieces up front in terms of offensive talent though moving forward. If I was Lou, I would deal all the pending UFA's no matter what, restock the system with prospects and picks (to be spent on forwards) and rebuild in 1 year.
broadwayblue
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Defend it all you like...it was a terrible decision. Even if everyone returned, were they really expecting to make it back to the finals? Odds were against that. And 29th overall picks don't contribute out of the gate...so what was the point?
The Devils were the Devils when they scouted well,drafted well and developed their own players. They kept some of those players and other players were traded. This current Devil group aren't the Devils. Spending money on free agents didn't used to be their way. Lou made some great trades like trading Kurvers to the Leafs for their #1 pick in 1991 which became Niedermayer. Burke for Holik. Getting Stevens in the Shanahan group I offer sheet arbitration. They made some really good picks in the 1990's. Great picks. Excellent trades, Guerin for Arnott. Morrison and Pederson for Mogilny in 2000. In the league of unlimited budgets,they were the smartest team in the NHL.
Devils fan here...I agree with the sentiment if I was the Devils, even if they were on a borderline come trade deadline time...I'd still trade pieces to get some picks if the offers were good enough for Jagr, Ryder, Fayne, Zid and so on and so forth.
I actually think Jagr and Zid would resign with the Devils anyway if they wanted to keep playing in the USA. Maybe also with you guys too. I know there's more travel but for older players, it's still better here with the less travel.
And the 29th pick discussion...
njdevils26 is right in a lot of ways. Hindsight is hindsight, and no maybe they wouldn't have made it back to the finals...but think of it this way. Let's say Lou imagined they'd make the playoff this year (and maybe they do) and that pick would've been number 20 (A first round loss).
IMO, the 29th pick you take today is worth more than the 20th pick you will make in two years. Even in a single year draft, how much difference is the rankings of a guy taken at 20 and 29? So with two years difference...it was probably the right move at the time he did it. If they crap the bed as the season goes on, it looks worse, but again - hindsight is hindsight. Lou has had to deal with a lot of **** in the recent years and the team is still competitive.
I actually think Jagr and Zid would resign with the Devils anyway if they wanted to keep playing in the USA. Maybe also with you guys too. I know there's more travel but for older players, it's still better here with the less travel.
And the 29th pick discussion...
njdevils26 is right in a lot of ways. Hindsight is hindsight, and no maybe they wouldn't have made it back to the finals...but think of it this way. Let's say Lou imagined they'd make the playoff this year (and maybe they do) and that pick would've been number 20 (A first round loss).
IMO, the 29th pick you take today is worth more than the 20th pick you will make in two years. Even in a single year draft, how much difference is the rankings of a guy taken at 20 and 29? So with two years difference...it was probably the right move at the time he did it. If they crap the bed as the season goes on, it looks worse, but again - hindsight is hindsight. Lou has had to deal with a lot of **** in the recent years and the team is still competitive.
Like I said above, I agree with you...but it wouldn't be a one year rebuild...those picks you make would probably not crack the NHL for 3 years if at all - so it's a future thing. I get that, and I'm for that.
It depends on how the team looks closer to the olympics and what kind of Free Agents are out there, and the kind of cap space teams have available.
If Lou think a guy like Paul Stastny is worth opening the checkbook for or Vanek, he's going to do it. How many teams will have the cap space to do it. Devils should have it.
Offensively we need free agents because our system is stocked with defensive prospects. We have pretty much two NHL forwards in the system Matteau (and even he's not a lock) and Boucher (who probably is, given his great start in the AHL).
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