Not often, and if you read my other posts, I think that overall it was a steal for the Islanders to not give up any prospects in the deal. But again, it's buying just to buy. Just because he's available doesn't mean you go out and get him, especially if he leaves and leaves the Islanders holding their dicks in their hands.
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Not often, and if you read my other posts, I think that overall it was a steal for the Islanders to not give up any prospects in the deal. But again, it's buying just to buy. Just because he's available doesn't mean you go out and get him, especially if he leaves and leaves the Islanders holding their dicks in their hands.
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Band-aid boy? He's missed a total of what? 40 NHL games in his entire career? That's hardly an injury prone player, and that's before you consider he plays hard minutes in front of the opponents goal.
Once again, they needed a top-level talent to play with Tavares. Vanek is that talent. Just because they added him, it doesn't mean they're not going to address other team needs. Winning the cup isn't the only goal for the Islanders right now. They're trying to build a team, and adding a talent like Vanek can not only increase their chances of winning, but also take a lot of the burden off of younger players to be the ones carrying the load. This is a huge win for the Islanders player development. That's what matters, not losing a 1st round pick because they probably won't win the cup. Vanek does a whole lot more for that team than a future draft pick will.
Ultimately, if you think that this trade was about cup aspirations and nothing else, then you're just out of touch with how to rebuild a team. Not to mention the added bonus that it demonstrates to the fans that after years of mediocrity and tight purse strings, the Isles are willing to finally spend money and want to win.
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Kvashinator12
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I'm glad to see the reaction here is mostly positive, and it absolutely should be. Now that aI can actually write from a computer here are my thoughts:
This is very reminiscent of the Nets Deron Williams trade. The timing, the circumstances, and most of all the desire to build a winner.
I have no issues giving up what we did to land Thomas Vanek, and just saying Thomas Vanek is an Islander is awesome. He is someone we spoke about a lot during the offseason, and everyone here didn't think it was possible nor would it ever happen. It happened, and this has Brooklyn move written all over it, and the Brooklyn bigs telling Wang to get his butt in gear. I have zero doubt he will be signed here long term, and I expect him to sign a 7 year deal when all is said and done. Moulson is a 30 goal scorer, but let's be honest he isn't in the same galaxy as Vanek when it comes to talent. We have been screaming for the last few years lets get JT a real winger. This end the Boyes, Bouchard, and others experiment. This team committed to winning last night in a way that should make everyone happy.
The picks don't bother me at all, and not sure if anyones looked at our prospect cupboard, but it's pretty full to be honest. People put to much emphasis omg the picks, but only one player in this deal has already scored over 250 goals in the NHL. Picks are great, but do you turn down a shot at a real top line forward because the pick might play in the NHL?
Lastly bravo Garth for pulling the trigger. If Vanek was dealt anywhere else, all we would've read on here today is we could't do better than that? Was Garth sleeping? Wang is cheap. There shouldn't be one ounce of unhappiness over this.
gary laser eyes
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Looks like he plans to be a UFA on July 1st
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=688799&navid=nhl:topheads
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=688799&navid=nhl:topheads
And once again, the top level talent to play with Tavares was the least of their most pressing needs. This is a move a contender makes, which the Isles are not. If they are trying to build a team, it's tough to do that when you trade assets for a guy who, right now, has a high probability of walking. He walks and they are now less that top line talent - that's building? He needs to re-sign for this deal to be a good one for them.
Why do you keep bringing up the future draft pick? Are you having trouble reading or are you just completely ignoring it? I've said multiple times already, it's not about the player you draft with that pick, it's the fact that you can use that asset to address a need. Now you've used that asset to address something that really didn't need addressing. You've also used that asset on a player who might not be with the team next year, instead of on a player who is controllable. It IS all or nothing here.
Kvashinator12
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Really the guy hasn't been traded for 24 hours yet, and a generic quote by an agent assures he hits free agency on July 1 is now clear. I have ZERo doubt he signs here long term
A need is a need. I'm not really sure why you're having such a hard time grasping that. They wanted an elite talent for JT and they got one. The fact that you think it's a foregone conclusion that he walks at the end of the year, or that it wasn't their "most pressing" need, is irrelevant. They're in a position where they can, and should, make that move because it won't have a negative impact on the team.
Again, granted I'm obviously the one having trouble reading, you're completely missing the point here. It's not about me talking about a future player taken with that draft pick. It's about the fact that a draft pick can have nowhere near the impact Vanek has on the ice right now, but more importantly, the impact on the fans who have been patiently waiting through a lengthy rebuild. This shows the fans, and the players, that they're done hoarding "assets" as you like to call them, and are trying to turn this into a winning franchise again.
You're having fun in hypotheticals, but I don't care about that. This helps the Islanders right now, and that's what's important. Not to mention this doesn't somehow preclude them from making anymore deals to solidify other areas of need.
That draft pick could have a bigger impact on the ice for the Islanders if it were traded to address a pressing need and not a luxury need. I said nothing about hoarding assets, AGAIN, but said everything about "asset management". It might not have a negative impact on the team, but how much does it actually improve them if they continue to give up goals like it's going out of style? They can still make moves, but it's going to be incredibly tough to get a significant player without a 1st rounder.
Our house needed all new siding after Sandy....but the whole inside also needed to be gutted. The inside came first, and then the siding, when we had the money.
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Hipster Doofus
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If a good rain came all your inside work gets water damaged. Fix the leaks first before painting.
Elite talent is hard to come by. A first, a2nd, and a similiar but not remotely as talented UFA is a price you gotta pay for someone like Vanek. Isles still have thier prospect pool, other picks, and there will be goalies on the move.
The price for Vanek isn't at issue, it's the asset management.
Pretty sure you fix the big leaks before the smaller ones that aren't doing as much damage.
NYR Viper
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Maybe they feel that they can now move a forward for a comparable defenseman? These moves aren't made in a vacuum.
Inferno
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Id say buffalo won this trade..Moulson is a 30 goal scorer....If Vanek scores significantly more, then they win...but will he? doubtful. even playing with JT.
vanek aint winning any selke trophies.
vanek aint winning any selke trophies.
NYR Viper
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I think he can score 40 if he stayed on the Island playing with Tavares. I think they saw this as a way to upgrade for this season and give themselves a chance to see if they can re-sign him.
Although Moulson will easily return a 1st rounder at this years deadline when Buffalo trades him again. That's a pretty good return for Vanek. It also helps them tank more.
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I think the advantage of Vanek is that he's better at carrying his own line than Moulson is.
That being said, if Vanek walks after this season, I don't like it for the Islanders.
I also think the predications of 100+ for both of them are way too much.
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NYR Viper
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Not if they feel they can replace that forward from within without much of a drop off.
How would they have traded for a defenseman without diluting their depth originally?
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NYR Viper
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So why does your hypothetical of trading a 1st rounder for someone outweigh my hypothetical of trading another forward for a defenseman which this trade allows for them to do?
Because one has one effect on your roster and the other has a different effect? Can you really not see that?
NYR Viper
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Not my point. Why do you believe that your hypothetical had more of a chance of happening than mine? How do you even know yours was an option?
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